It is our business though, because when all those omnis come down with the latest zoonotic bird flu they endanger the entire population. And if the population did actually opt for tofu scrambles you just know that the industry would jack up the price of our cheap tofu.
Not to even mention, if you’re vegan then factory farming is always your business, ideologically speaking.
Who cares that people are experiencing food insecurity due to egg prices because being vegan just makes us better than them am I right?
Vegan is better. Go try and prove me wrong. Try from an ethical standpoint and a economical, and nutritional. Find an angle to argue that plant based diets aren’t better for everyone.
Sitting in my chair, understanding that factory farming is propped up with government funding, and raising chickens to lay eggs is a really inefficient way to produce protein. All the space and energy to collect chicken periods and the first step is to throw half the baby chicks in a grinder because they have a dick. I can watch a video of tofu being made and not loose my appetite.
I agree that vegan is better from an ethical standpoint. That doesn’t somehow make it OK to celebrate families suddenly having to deal with food insecurity. Have some empathy for people for fucks sake.
OP wants to claim both compassion and nihilism.
I’m sure that if they look really hard in the store there are cheap bags of dried beans that would go a lot further than eggs even before the price increase.
People facing food insecurity due to egg prices increasing are relying too much on one source of nourishment.
It feels disingenuous to approach this topic with the view that the eggs are the problem and people need to just eat fewer eggs.
The problem is the food cost increases and the eggs are just one example. It’s called nuance and we’ve lost our ability to understand it. Stop trying to blame consumers for this when it is driven by profits.
It sounds like y’all are using the egg price as a barometer, very much the same way the French use the baguette price to talk about the economy and inflation, because it’s something everyone relates to (except the politicians that are sure to be made fun of when they get it wrong, exposing how out of touch they are with the common folk).
Agreed, the comment I was replying to indicated the solution was to just eat something cheaper than eggs while ignoring the fundamental issue of food costs. I was trying to highlight that in my response to that post.
You’re right, a single parent working three jobs definitely has the time and energy to change their food preparation habits. Definitely. Eggs being expensive is totally OK and doesn’t hurt anyone unless they’re both stupid and lazy. You’re right.
Fucking twat …
NOOO MY HECKIN ANIMAL EXPLOITATION NOW I HAVE TO PAY $10 FOR A DOZEN STOLEN CHICKEN EGGS :((((((((((
It was actually only $4 at whole foods on Saturday.
Uh oh, you’ve stirred up the armchair nutritionists again! Here to tell us how nutritionally deficient a plant-based diet is!
The issue is that for a lot of poor people, eggs were a great and easy way to get proteins.
Vegan diet is absolutely viable for the vast majority of people. However, the access to quality vegan food to all the population isn’t there yet.
Food desert are real and at least eggs were easier to get there than dried beans and rice. And that options is getting out of reach for a lot of people.
You’re gonna find beans, soy and rice in a food desert a lot easier than eggs. The food desert I’ve lived in had at least two of the three in almost every bodega.
“Why don’t poor people just buy healthy food at their local bodegas?” - A statement made with incredible privilege and zero self awareness
Sorry if I’m misunderstanding the problem, but aren’t foods like beans and rice which can be ordered in bulk online a good solution for people stuck in food deserts? I would think that anything with a long shelf life would be superior to perishables. (American eggs have to be refrigerated, right?)
It’s a multifaceted problem, and you are thinking in terms of people getting the best for their money instead of people being starved and trying to make a dollar last.
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Buying in bulk is expensive upfront. If you are squeezing pennies, it is probably not an option for you.
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Eggs have different nutrients that beans don’t have. One of them being fat for example. If you can’t get it from eggs anymore, you need to add that cost as well to your expenses.
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People that lives day to day with a squeezed budget have to pivot right now, as in today, to different sources of food. I can afford to phase out expensive food from my diet, but for many people it’s the difference between starving or not today. If you already don’t have much options, switching on a dime isn’t realistic.
you are thinking in terms of people getting the best for their money instead of people being starved and trying to make a dollar last.
I’m not, actually. When I say “in bulk” I don’t mean a 20kg sack. 500g of rice or dry legumes goes a long way for a low price.
When we were starving we mostly got whatever was on sale or short-dated, so we ate different things all the time out of necessity, but dry goods were always reliable, which is why I asked about them.
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You are correct this person, is just a meme in vegan circles
You’re a meme
Look the jester coming out of the wood work with a “no u” quality level of discussion. Get bent
That’s a great painting haha
It is isn’t it! Too bad you have no understanding of why I posted it 😄
You don’t have to be vegan to make a tofu scramble.
Ok so, i understand that it’s way more than it used to be but… Is $10 for a dosen really THAT bad? Are People using eggs literally every meal or something? I LITERALLY heard someone complaining about this while grabbing some at costco. Like genuinely upset and acting like they can never have eggs again while they have a cart easily pushing $400 of stuff not all of which is food.
I feel like everyone is strangely focused on eggs when there are way worse things going through the roof
European here. I am watching these prices unfold in pure shock. Here, 10 eggs cost between 1€ and 3€ depending on the type of farming (free range, free run, and organic).
Oh yeah like I said I understand that it’s shockingly more expensive than it used to be or she even maybe should be. But I’ve heard people talking like they’re going to need to take out a mortgage on their house and they aren’t being sarcastic just to get eggs it just feels a bit strange how strong the reaction to the egg prices is. Meanwhile over the years we’ve let things like medicine and housing which feel like they are more important to then eggs Skyrocket in price and while we do complain about them it feels casual compared to how people are talking about eggs
People tend to talk about things that affect them and are current. Unfortunately for most of us (or at least the people in my circle) we’ve lived our entire lives with expensive healthcare and housing. To us it’s the norm. Egg prices being this high aren’t.
Also bouncing off your previous example, yeah there are people that spend hundreds of dollars on groceries, but you forget that people only have so much income; they might be balancing their budget to just barely accommodate $400 worth of groceries. Eggs suddenly costing twice or thrice as much might push them over the edge. Or, you know, broke college students whose primary source of protein are eggs also feel it pretty heavy (source: me).
uh yeah 10 bucks for a dozen is pretty fucking horrible, they cost only slightly more than a tenth of that here in sweden.
US animal ag industry is battling cross-species avian flu right now in an attempt to delay it’s jump to the human population. When one chicken or pig gets sick it means you need to kill and destroy every single one of them. Hundreds of thousands of chickens get deleted every time. Usually doesn’t make the national news, and there are for sure political/economic factors at play too, but disease is absolutely influencing poultry prices.
Where are you buying eggs for one crown each?? Maybe it’s a regional thing?
Eggs were historically a very cheap source of protein and have a very diverse nutrient profile because they are designed to grow an animal from scratch. I recall in 2019 doing the math for protein/dollar and things like chicken breast, whey protein, eggs, and milk came out on top, but that was because eggs were 80 cents per dozen. It’s like if chicken breast went from its 2019 price of 1.99 to $15-20 a pound, or milk for $15 a gallon or whey for $100+ a bag. I used to consistently eat 3 eggs every morning because I was broke and eggs + rice + siracha was like a 50 cent breakfast, now that same breakfast would be approaching 3 dollars.
People are so upset because of the 10x effective price increase, just imagine a 10x in any other price in only 5 years. Rent, education, electricity
Eggs WERE one of the cheapest sources of protein available, so a lot of people depended on them since meat was so expensive. Now even that is taken from us.
eggs are also just generally really good nutrition, they are specifically meant to fuel the growth of the chick after all
and combined with them being vegetarian, eggs are one of the best foods available.Aggravated Hank Hill voice: “Eggs being considered vegetarian doesn’t make eggs better, it just makes vegetarianism worse!”
Yeah, they were the best value for money for a long time. Within my recent memory (last ten years or so), if I’m recalling correctly, they were a dollar or less per dozen in my region of the US. You couldn’t beat them for nutritional ROI.
The thing about their price increases though is that up until relatively recently, I’ve read somewhere that bird flu was an excuse rather than an actual factor. I could be wrong on that, but I distinctly remember hearing it being tied to greed rather than an actual supply issue.
I quit eating eggs in late 2018. At the time, a dozen eggs were well south of $2. I don’t think prices increased much until COVID hit. So that’s ~$2 to ~$10 in five years. Given that eggs and milk are staple foods, I can see why people would be highly concerned.
Yes and yes. I buy them from a farm, they’re cheap and delicious. I have eggs for breakfast and I have eggs as a snack in the evening
It’s kinda our business too because people are still forcing birds into confined spaces and making them sick, and being vegan is a stance against that.
I’d even argue that higher prices on eggs would make people cram more birds into the same spaces just to produce more eggs and make more money
Yes, this is the grim reality of the issue. We’ll make animal ag even more inhumane and dangerous to humanity before we try moving to something more sustainable. Only catastrophe will force a switch.
Isn’t easier to just… stop buying eggs?
Won’t the prices come down if people, you know, stop pushing demand for them?
Seriously not a bad time to consider vegetarianism or veganism.
That’s not how the modern American thinks, we’re so used to things just being always available in mass quantities, we’ve all but forgotten shortages happen and life requires problem solving. Look at what happened with the toliet paper thing, you can easily just use/wash a cloth (obviously not ideal, I’d recommend a bidet first and foremost) but your average American would rather rally at Costco and get into a fist fight over their precious rolls because they can’t comprehend or cope with adaptation, lol.
Seriously not a bad time to consider vegetarianism or veganism
But eggs are vegetarian. Avoiding meat is easy, but eggs are in a ton of recipes and not all of them work with egg substitutes
Which ones? I’ve yet to encounter a recipe with eggs where I couldn’t satisfyingly sub in tofu, mung bean liquid (Such as Just Egg) or starch+tapioca replacer (Such as this) depending on the egg preparation.
Tofu is good for scrambles.
Mung bean is good for frying.
Stratch+tapioca is for baking.
You say that like we don’t import a fuck ton of our produce from Mexico.
Everything is about to get way more expensive.
This is why backyard and community gardens are about to get a whole lot more important. A few of us have been trying to convince my job to set one up and I’m hoping tariffs are the push we need to get it done.
Won’t prices come down if people, you know, stop buying vegetables?
Agree.
There is a great push towards this stuff. Mostly trough the meat industry whos products getting shittier by the day.
A good meal is texture + flavor. As long as you give me the texture and flavor I want I couldn’t care less how it is accomplished.
And if I have the choice between 2 products who are equal in texture and flavor, I pick the option that caused less suffering in the world.
It’s not even a push. My elderly mother was telling me about her elderly friends who were going on “missions” to find eggs where they spent tons of gas driving around all day just trying to find eggs to buy since they’re scarce.
It floored me. I literally said to her “do they not understand if they stop buying them the demand will decrease and so will the price?” She shrugged and agreed that it was really foolish and wasteful.
Some people are just really ingrained in their habits and don’t even consider changing things like this in their lives.
I recently was at a friends house and they had made vegan chilli, NGL best chilli I’ve ever had.
I agree with you on your food preference and it’s like a breath of fresh air encountering someone who thinks the same way about food.
Send me that recipe if you can!
I wish I could but they haven’t shared it with me yet
They did laugh when I asked and they said “it’s basically chilli but with crumbly tofu, and don’t slack on the seasoning”
Super Firm Tofu. The vacuum sealed stuff.
also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Textured_vegetable_protein
TVP is so amazing that i can’t help but feel like it’s being actively supressed by the meat industry, it’s incredibly close to the generic mouthfeel of meat and utterly trivial to manufacture.
I used to get Bob’s Red Mill brand TVP from Safeway but it disappeared from their shelves a few months ago (Tried multiple locations) and hasn’t cone back. Considering that it’s basically just soy and pulses, and also that Safeway still carries the rest of the Bob’s Red Mill lineup, it does feel suspiciously intentional.
Hmmm… this might be exactly my take when vegans start to pay more because trump decided to flood the farms that produce a big part of their diet. Or when they realize that Mexico and Canada produce a lot of it as well.
Maybe it’s best not to be a smug asshole about things because things have a way of coming back around….
The sad part (and why this meme is way off base) is because odds are prices will go up on all foods because of Trump’s insanity.
Keep in mind though, plants are used to feed animals. Everything that increases plant prices will increase animal product prices that much more. Just as oil and gas prices increase all of the above because everything is dependent on fossil fuels still.
[…] the farms that produce a big part of their diet.
Those farms produce the majority of your calories as well, btw.
Looks like none of us should be smug assholes about it then, eh?
I’m vegan and agree with your take here. We’re all in the same big stupid boat together.
Seems like you’re inferring a lot from a meme…
Just say you love killing innocent animals for pleasurable eating and don’t like other people reminding you that you’re a monster!
I enjoy my omnivore diet as the omnivore animal I am
Go ahead, man. My reply was to poke the bear above.
I offer no apologies to you for my diet, as it doesn’t concern you- and as you are not owed one.
If it offends you, that’s a YOU problem.
Hook line and sinker.
Ahh… So I see you too, enjoy fishing?
Wait until vegans find out how much of their food comes from Mexico
Cries in avocado.
Don’t forget how much US based farms depend on migrant workers.
That doesn’t help your statement at all. Between the tariffs on imported foods and the lack of migrant workers on domestic farms, vegetable prices are going to skyrocket in a way that could potentially make egg prices look tame… but I guess that’s “none of my business”
Farm animals are also typically fed with produce these days. Grazing has become largely the exception, because the animals take longer to grow. As such, when produce prices go up, animal product prices will likely climb higher.
Not so much fed with produce, but fed with alfalfa and soy feedstock grown on vast amounts of arable land that could and should be used to grow produce instead, for sure.
Animal product prices can’t go above what the market will bear. Meat spoiling on shelves will drive the prices back down.
If farmers can no longer afford to feed their cattle imported soybeans then they’ll go back to feeding domestic grains and corn.
Which means the cattle gets less protein-rich food, therefore puts on meat less quickly, therefore the output of meat is reduced. Less meat ends up on shelves and individual prices may need to be upped, since the farmers still have similar costs, but less products to sell.
Like, I don’t know, from what I’ve heard, the US market is plagued by fairly monopolistic meat resellers, so maybe you are right that they’re currently taking a big profit margin and can/must lower that margin as a result of this. But I still wouldn’t be all too sure that they won’t find a way to drive up prices anyways.
Good thing only vegans eat vegetables.
i dont really get why people have so much resistance when switching foods. seasons and shortages have existed since people started agriculture and when something becomes scarce, you pivot and eat what youve got. if there was some bizarre soy disease and tofu becomes expensive, im just gonna buy lentils 🤷
I was like this in the past, it’s just that you’ve spent your entire life eating the same things and only know how to cook those things (if you can cook at all), so changing feels very intimidating and involves several steps. It’s not just buying different things, it’s learning how to cook them properly and which ones you like, and getting over the bump of initial slight dislike of most new things which is pretty instinctive.
What we need is to help people learn to cook things and help them ease into trying new foods, ideally this would be family members and friends but specific community groups is good too.
People are creature comforted and they literally don’t know how to live without those creature comforts, so instead of considering changing anything in their lives they just double down and do stupid shit to get a hold of those creature comforts. Fucking addicts.
Naw. I’ll just walk to the chicken coop thanks.
Preach 👏 I even often (consensually) feed my eggs to vegan friends, because they know I care for and love my ladies.
Any recommendations for a good source of omega 3 fatty acids for a plant based diet?
I think you’d probably need more than in an animal based diet since plant based fats and oils have way more omega 6 then animal based fats which can fuck up the balance.
my regular-ass cold-pressed rapeseed oil that i use for regular-ass frying has both omega 3 and omega 6
Canola oil does have omega 3 but it has far more omega 6. Omega 6 has inflammatory properties while omega 3 has anti inflammatory properties. So it’s important to keep them in balance to avoid chronic inflammation.
Canola(rapeseed) oil has an omega 6 to omega 3 ratio of about 2/1 which isn’t as bad as some of the other more problematic “seed oils” like corn and soybean oils which have a 50/1 or 5/1 respectively. So maybe just using canola oil is fine, maybe you’ll need more omega 3 to keep a balance, not quite sure as this seems to be a newer area of study surrounded by some diet culture moral panic.
For me I like to err on the side of adding more diverse foods to my diet as I think that’s a good rule of thumb, so i’m trying to add more omega 3.
There’s loads, my best recommendations are algea oil or sea weed, soya, nuts, seeds take your pick.
The opposite is true, o3/6 exist in balance. If you don’t eat any omega3 your body gets a lot better at converting o6. Vegans get better omega readings than people who eat fish 2-3x a week.
Ground flax in cooking and you’re sorted
Freshly ground flax seeds are supposed to be good for that, but I’m way too lazy to do that haha
Instead, you can just get Omega 3 pills, seems like the least hassle 🤷
Get the algae omega pills
Vaccines are made with eggs, it will affect you
There usually are vegan vaccine variants if you’re privledged enough to be able to access and demand them. It’s usually far outside my level of acceptable practicality to do so though, so I get the default version.
Even if eggs go to $24/dozen, then the cost of egg per dose of flu vaccine would be less than a $1. I only get one flu vaccine a year, so still irrelevant. Also alternative methods for flu vaccine exist and are used already.
And you don’t think pharma will skyjack the price because they can?
Not mRNA vaccines (like covid)
Can anyone familiar with veganism answer me a curiosity?
Would someone who’s vegan be fine with owning their own chickens and using them for eggs? If you’re not engaging in the marketplace for them, you can absolve yourself of the suffering egg laying hens in factory farms could be experiencing, but I’m not sure how the ‘suffer free because I raised them’ plays into the belief/practice.
I agree with what the others said, but I just want to point out that this ‘model’ vegan isn’t nearly as important as you might think. You don’t get a prize or hivemind access or whatever for conforming to some exact criteria. It’s ultimately just a convenient label to summarize that you’ve made certain moral choices. Well, and to easily identify products that work well with your choices. But making those choices is very much each person’s own adventure.
Other than the vegan powers of course
the laser eyes are particularly cool, it sucks that they only work when you’re alone, though.
The ability to take fast, clean-wiping, effortless shits every single time is my favorite vegan superpower.
Of course.
And they’re not without downsides. Since becoming all-knowing, I do sometimes forget that not everybody knows about vegan powers.
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Veganism is a philosophy about animal exploitation. Vegans don’t even eat honey because it is an animal product. If you eat eggs from a back yard chicken, you are still participating in the exploitation of that animal and feeding systems which further exploit animals. Some detailed further reading:
https://theminimalistvegan.com/backyard-eggs/So no, a vegan would not do this. Though, what OP said about nomenclature remains true - some people are loose with the terms
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Would it be exploitation to give food, shelter, love, companionship etc in exchange for the eggs?
I personally think free-range farming in a non-harmful way is great, but you should still consider that the chicken is incapable of consenting. Your relationship with any confined animal is inherently a slave/master one, and I understand why some people object to that. We’re keeping the animal comfortable and extending their lifespan, but we’re also robbing them of agency, and I feel like that’s something worth thinking about.
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Veganism isn’t a religion, it’s a label people use to self identity as not eating anything from animals.
Every person decides for themselves what counts. I’m sure there are people who identify as vegan that are ok with backyard chicken eggs, and there are ones that don’t.
There is a whole industry around providing the chickens that people purchase for their backyards, and that industry has to sort the male chickens from the female, and then destroy the males. You can’t really participate in purchasing chickens without being involved in that aspect, which most vegans would object to, even if the chickens that live with them would be treated humanely.
There’s also some vegans who are fine with honey, and some that aren’t.
This has been discussed thousands of times online so I don’t feel the need to type out a very long answer.
The pure existence of modern day chickens is animal abuse. The closest known relative to the modern day chicken lays about 10-15 or so eggs a year. Modern day chickens lay eggs daily. It is extremely hard on their body, they have been selectively bred to provide output with no care for their wellbeing.
That being said, if a vegan were to rescue a chicken or something, and it produces eggs, the best you can do is usually feed them back to it. I know that sounds weird but if you feed the chicken back its own eggs, it helps recuperate lost nutrients, and they love it.
You would need to buy the chicken from somewhere. You would only buy the female chicken, because you want the eggs. There would still be male chickens that no one wants, except for reproduction. That would at least be my logic so I’d say no.
It really depends on the type of “vegan”. Some people are in it for the dietary benefits and others are in it for the animal welfare. Dietary is actually “plant based” but most people just say vegan, even it it doesn’t quite fit.
There’s also the environmental ones.
And the squeamish
The ones in it for climate/dietary benefits are plant-based, not vegan, as they wouldn’t have an issue with e.g. leather (at least the dietary ones)
True but when you go to a restaurant or store it is easier to just say vegan. No need to confuse people.
Wonder if Just Egg is competitive on pricing yet…
Just Egg is only expensive because the company is interested in catering to a niche for those high margins. It is made from incredibly cheap ingredients like bean flour so it’s annoying that it is so expensive.
Literally just crumble tofu, fry it and add a thickish chickpea flower and water mix at the end. Season with KalaNamak. Done. Price for all of the ingrediets is very low.
Ground beef has been creeping up too, I’m honestly curious at what point does Beyond / “Impossible” brands start breaking even.
i suspect that once prices catch up they’ll just keep them in line with that of animal products, because fuuuuuuuuuck youuuuuuuu consumers, give us money!
They’re also relatively healthier, so if you include that “cost”…
Shoprite by me is $4.50/lb for meat, $7.99/lbs for beyond
It’s got a bit to go. Checked yesterday , granted at whole foods, and their fake ground beef was $0.56 and ounce while there regular ground beef was $0.38 per ounce . Both were the same 365 in store brand.
The cheapest fake ground beef cost about the same as the premium bison ground beef.
Where I am it’s currently $5.99 for the equivalent of 10 eggs. I expect that price to jump soon because capitalism.
Well if you use the liquid just egg, just remember low heat and add some fermented garlic 🍳
What is the fermented garlic added for? Could you substitute it for black salt? Just curious.
It’s for the “sulfur” taste to make it taste more like eggs. As another comment mentioned, there are other ways to add the sulfur taste, but fermented garlic is the easiest for me to acquire. I believe black salt does the same (though obviously adds additional salt)
