Why you should know: The ‘a’ vs ‘an’ conundrum is not about what letter actually begins the word, but instead about how the sound of the word starts.

For example, the ‘h’ in ‘hour’ is silent, so you would say ‘an hour’ and not ‘a hour’. A trickier example is Ukraine: because the ‘U’ is pronounced as ‘You’, and in this case the ‘y’ is a consonant, you would say “a Ukraine” and not “an Ukraine”.

Tip: when in doubt, sound it out(loud).

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        True, but this is really basic stuff. I think I learned this for English as 2nd language in primary school. We trust that people here know English well enough to understand the server rules, why then assume they don’t know basic grammar?

        What makes this different from SVO word order? YSK how to use participles? Did you know about the order of adjective (That one is actually pretty interesting, but i’s not basic grammar so it gets to pass). At some point it is ridiculous to try to teach some grammar rules of English in English, and I believe this is well past that point. Even if one doesn’t speak the language naturally or have a formal education in it.

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      Only when it’s needed.

      With literacy rates in America “hold my beer” low and getting lower, maybe there’s a need.

      Example: if people pluralize “email” different from “mail”, they may need to review.

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      Still can’t get things like contractions, apostrophes, too/to, “should of” sorted out. Still plenty of need for reminders.

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    Don’t forget that ‘h’ is an exception and counts as a vowel: “a hat”

    edit literally i am wrong about this why did i write that

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        don’t even need an hour. “herb” has multiple regional pronunciations and so can receive both treatments depending on the context.

        also my original comment was just wrong i don’t even know how i got to the point of writing that. “an hour” is the standard treatment of words starting with vowel sounds—the letters themselves don’t matter.

        but “h” is treated as a consonant. which it is. duh. i feel so dumb lol.

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    Why would you use Ukraine as the example word instead of uniform?

    I’m pretty sure I’ve heard “the Ukraine” been pronounced both ways often enough.

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    The problem is not the rule, but that the many exceptions apply to the written word, whereas they are based on phonological reasons and the same letter can have several pronunciations in English.

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      yeah… like “a house” vs. “an honor” It’s easy: the +n is a binding sound to avoid a hard stop between two words when the first ends in a vowel and the second begins with one. A hard stop only applies to spoken language, so the +n should be applied where the spoken next sound is a vowel.

      For example: “A “large hadron collider”-like setup”, vs. “An LHC-like setup”

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    I guess I never heard the accents that produced “istoric” in reference to the false americanized version of “an Historic event” such as any time Robert Picard (Richard Woolsey) appeared in Stargate

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      Upper-class British used to ‘drop the h’ on words with a french root to show off their education. Historic had a silent H but hawk did not, for example.
      Side note: H has a silent H, it’s “aitch” not “haitch”.

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      My understanding was that you say “an historical account” instead of "a historical account* to differentiate from the phonetically identical “ahistorical account”, which means almost precisely the opposite.

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    Our mouths really want to flow vowel->>consonant->> vowel->>consonant->> and various languages all have their ways of helping that happen.

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    I’ve seen a good 15 minute essay-video about this:

    https://youtu.be/nCe7Fj8-ZnQ

    TLDW: English speakers increasingly use the consonant versions of “a(n)”, “the” and “to” for anything in casual conversation, just with a glottal stop to separate vowel sounds. This is then found more and more in written and formal language.

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      just with a glottal stop to separate vowel sounds.

      You may say ‘dialect’, I’ll say ‘failed student’, potato, potato.

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      perhaps because russia initiated a ukranian invasion on february 24 2022.

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    I’m a native English speaker, not fluent in any other languages, and I still fuck up it’s / its on a regular basis.

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      I’m under the impression that mistakes like it’s/its tend to be more common among native speakers than among people who learn the language as teenagers/grown-ups. I might be wrong, though, it’s not like I have any data on the subject.

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      no shame in that. it’s rough. fun fact: even the US founding fathers got it wrong

      he has waged cruel war against human nature itself, violating it’s most sacred rights of life & liberty in the persons of a distant people who never offended him, captivating & carrying them into slavery in another hemisphere, or to incur miserable death in their transportation thither (Thomas Jefferson’s original rough draft of the Declaration of Independence)

      later prints corrected this error which happens three times from Jefferson’s hand.

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    Nah, i use whichever i feel like in the moment. Sometimes a double vowel sound sounds better.

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      “a apple” has more flavor to it than “an apple” and i acknowledge how cursed that makes me

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      Y can act as a consonant or a vowel, depending on the position in the word.

      Definitely a vowel: Baby

      Part of a vowel sound: Play

      Not a vowel at all: Yes, lawyer

      When a Y starts a syllable, it typically doesn’t take a vowel sound, closer to a “soft j” sound.

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          Yeezus/Jesus Yawn/Jawn Yoke/Joke

          I don’t know phonetics (or whatever the right term is for “mouth noises for speaking” is) enough to say if y- consonant/soft-j is the closest pairing. As I sit here like a weirdo going “yo-yo-yo” and “jo-jo-jo”, they have a similar starting position, but soft-j definitely has that “ch”. I think maybe it’s closer to an r, like you/rue.

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    Ubisoft needs to hear this.

    It hurts my soul everytime I start up Farcry 5 and see “A Ubisoft Game” and not “An Ubisoft Game” on the intro splash screens.

    Unless they pronounce it something other than You-Bee-Soft or Ooo-bee-soft. In which case, that would hurt my soul even more.

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      I’ve only ever heard it pronounced “You-Bee-Soft” and the “yuh” sound that starts with functions as a consonant. You wouldn’t say “An youtube video.”

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          The phrase “an car” was used by Wade of Dankpods/Garbage Time, I think to describe a 90’s Toyota Corolla. “It’s An Car” to mean it does the job of a self-propelled box on wheels with seats in it. And I’ve taken to use that to describe bog standard tools, like my completely unremarkable Wen drill press is An Drill Press.

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            That’s great I love it. I do the opposite, I like to give banal items overly technical names. Chair=orthogonal spinal support unit. Hammer=non-calibrated adjustment appliance, etc.

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      I don’t know what the official pronunciation is, but I always read it as Ooo-bee-soft.