The world would absolutely be better if we hadn’t been ravaging the atmosphere and ecosystems for 300 years. Do you think cars, factories, the internet make the world a better place? For who? The people who own these things benefit while the rest of us clamour for space and calories. Fuck capitalism.
Technology advanced before capitalism for the few hundred thousand years or so that humans were around. Ingenuity and provenance - standing on the shoulders of giants, drives innovation, not free market competition. Capitalism or not, we would still have science. And without capitalism, I believe we would spend a fair bit more of our time on it, instead of chasing green bits of paper.

Did I say Nazis are infiltrating beer? If I did it was a typo, I’ve not intentionally mentioned beer afaik.

I’m glad i gave you the benefit of the doubt :)

That’s gone over my head old chum. Care to explain?

Is it that the whole place is insane, or is it more likely you are wrong? There would have to be some explanation as to why everyone in this whole place has the same wrong idea. As far as I’m aware Lemmy doesn’t ask questions about your view on nazi subcultures during sign up so it can’t be that. Do you have any explanation for your conspiracy theory, or is it in fact more likely that your view is flawed. Just by logic you should be able to see this.
You might be approaching this question from the wrong angle. Let me restate the argument the OP is making:

Fascism is an ideology which ultimately solely worships power.
To make this palatable for the inevitable powerless from whom they draw their power, the fascists appropriate other ideologies and political viewpoints that are convenient and claim to be ideologically pure when they are not; in this way fascism is a form of populism.
Fascists therefore have to be relatable to the powerless. Culture is necessary. The Nazis were extraordinarily well-dressed for example, and their guns, tanks and motorbikes etc. looked really really cool.
Culture is a form of power. People listen to songs and mull the lyrics. Film changes the watcher. So it is in the best interests of fascists to have a strong message delivered via consumable culture.

FASCISTS ATTEMPT TO INFILTRATE EXISTING CULTURE BY INSERTING PRO-FASCIST MESSAGING INTO ALREADY-POPULAR MEDIA. There are so many examples of this happening that you shouldn’t be ignorant of this fact. If left unchecked, fascism will spread through a subculture. See: football hooliganism in Europe, or gun culture in America. An important thing to point out here is that, while not all european football hooligans are fascists, the culture has grown more fascist over time. Same for any fascist incursion into culture.

WE THEREFORE NEED TO PUSH BACK AGAINST FASCIST CULTURAL APPROPRIATION. This is often successful, since people fucking hate fascists. And it’s easy to do, because pretty much any song, story, clothing etc is way cooler without the fascist undertones, so just drop the fascist bit and you’ve got something people will like better. Ask Hugo Boss if you don’t believe me.

Now is that any clearer?

Wow, was going to say pretty much exactly this. Thank you.

Good question.
I don’t like to put words in your mouth, but it seems to me that your point is something along the lines of “Nazis don’t actually steal culture”?

No, it’s not a fallacy. It’s an observation, a demonstrable fact, that Nazis try to appropriate cultures. Punk is a great example of that. The very essence of the original Nazis was to appropriate the culture of patriotism and twist it into a genocidal worldview. It’s very important with the world as it currently is, that you understand how fascism works. If you are arguing in good faith here and not an actual nazi propagandist (sorry it’s impossible to tell) then you really do need to read a bit more about it. There’s not much more I can tell you really.

Fascists appropriate culture in an effort to swell their ranks

I’ll take your imitation as flattering.
It’s the entire point about Nazi appropriation of subcultures that you’re missing, not any single point I’ve made.

Yes it is. I can compare gala apples to kanzi apples.
The reason so many people are arguing with you about it is that you are wrong. You should accept that first, and then you can grow as a person. It’s quite liberating.

Ah so you’re missing the point then. Is it ignorance or purposeful, I wonder.

Then you need to do a little bit of reading and then come back.

They’re not comparable. Being a Nazi is a choice, like listening to Pantera. Being gay is not a choice, like being born with brown skin.

I don’t think that’s right. You might be thinking of sociopathy or borderline? Me and all my auties feel empathy.

Thanks for saying so, I’m glad that the message came across.

The thing is you don’t align with the far right. At least I hope you don’t anyway. The far right either hate trans people, or they do not give a shit about them either way. They are using trans people as a political football to sow exactly this type of division. Yes, trans people in sport is an unresolved problem. No, I do not want the right wing to be the ones to resolve it. If you align superficially, you still don’t want to cede to them. Bear in mind “align” only goes as far as saying “we can agree about this one sentence”, not this whole issue.
Godwin’s law is fucked these days so let’s just use the third Reich as an analogy. You may agree that Germany has a legitimate territorial claim on Alsace-Lorraine. Does that mean you should let the Nazis take it? No, you fight them and then resolve it when someone more reasonable is asking. The reasons why should be obvious, and so should the analogy. It’s not about whether the extremely superficial claim is “correct”, it’s about why they are saying it and what they plan to do if they get enough people to agree with them.
In this case, where the war is one of ideas, you’re not a bigot if you agree in a very superficial way, but it’s completely redundant to be talking about trans women in sport when all trans people are being stripped of their rights and it looks like things are getting worse. A year ago we were hoping (again) for the first female president; long overdue. That’s not an issue anymore, as women are now being erased from history.

No.
If you fall back in front of the far right they will take that ground and demand more, as they always have done, and as they always will do. It’s how they win, it’s how they are winning, on trans rights, on immigration, on racial supremacy. Do not give them an inch. It’s not “all or nothing” it’s “give the bigots nothing”.

Have a look around

100%
The difference is I would leave the door open for them to come back to reason, maybe even give them the benefit of the doubt. But the people purposely manipulating then are, I think, beyond forgiveness.

You’re 100% entitled (and right) to feel that way. But there are a lot of lies these people have been fed, often from birth, about for example white supremacy etc. that only education can really erase. Education is withheld by the same liars that profit from the hatred they whip up.
Now I’m not advocating for the softly, softly approach with them, I’m all for punching Nazis, and it’s ultimately up to the individual what to believe. But these drones aren’t the right target, it’s the monsters that made them that way and hide behind them, the people in power advocating for e.g. religion and ethnonationalism to increase their power and profits. They are the root cause. And their first victims are these ignorant sheep forming a human shield around them. If I were to explain how much contempt I have for those people this would be a massive text wall that probably breaks Lemmy TOS.

James O’Brien isn’t my favourite talking head, but I do like his idea of having contempt for the conmen and compassion for the conned. These people have swallowed a lot of big lies and the fault is with the liars.