• Phoenixz@lemmy.ca
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    13 days ago

    Makes sense for any country tondo this because as has become clear, it doesn’t matter if you’re a democracy or a dictatorship, if you are liking musk and face or not, X and meta can and will destabilize your country and once it happens, there is nothing you can do about it except banning the entire site, which will be an unpopular choice.

    Musk especially has shown to be all about himself and he’ll just push whatever political right wing party to destabilize a country.

    Fuck x, fuck Facebook

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      Yeah, they found out they could win, when they stuck it to X and straight up banned them until they complied.

      Just like the big tech companies have different ToS for EU consumers.

      Mad respect to them, but it should be normal. But it’s not.

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        Also like California passing public health laws and companies deciding it is easier to comply to the entire U.S. instead of duplicating product lines.

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      14 days ago

      All the BRICS have. Brazil just stands out, because its not a country we’ve flagged as “Evil Enemy Run By Inhuman Savages”.

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          It’s so disappointing. India has a massive tech service industry and could’ve been a force for good, but the government loves their censorship and authoritarianism too much.

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            The limited view I have into the CEO culture there seems even more toxic than America’s.

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        14 days ago

        It also helps that unlike the R and the C in BRICS, they aren’t imperialists threatening and/or invading their neighbours. Brazil is a good world citizen.

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          Brazil is a good world citizen.

          Uhhh, did you forget that Brazil was being run by a fascist war criminal just a short while ago?

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            And now it isn’t, that’s democracy, baby

            I fully agree that Bolsonaro was a straight up demon, but I also agree with the idea that - currently - the administration of Brazil is probably about as good an example of a good world citizen as it gets

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              And now it isn’t, that’s democracy,

              Abso-fucking-lutely not. Fascists would NEVER be able to gain power in a truly democratic society. No ifs, ands or butts.

              Fascists are funded into power (and into existence) by CAPITALISTS - adherents to an ideology that is violently incompatible with anything that can be called democratic with a straight face.

              Brazil is not a democratic society. It is a (so-called) “liberal democracy” - something that can be more accurately described as 95% capitalism with some fake democracy substitute thrown in as a legitimising measure.

              That is THE WHOLE POINT of liberalism.

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                  12 days ago

                  Save it for the next fascist your (supposedly) “democratic” system siccs on you, liberal.

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                Democracy isn’t a magic anti-fascist spell, sorry to break it to you. If someone can convince enough of the population to elect them, then they get into power, fascist or not.

                By your definition, there really hasn’t been a “real” democracy ever, frankly, since it depends on there being a state with no imbalance of wealth whatsoever. If that’s how you want to define it, sure, go ahead, but I’m going to keep using a definition of democracy that’s based on how the institutions of elections and the state are built, because that’s a useful way to discuss political systems, and “democracy is when only leaders I like are elected” is not.

                Brazil’s leaders are elected through universal suffrage, its speech and media are (relatively) free, that’s a democracy by any reasonably useful definition. There’s plenty to criticise in how that democracy functions, especially how money and power can influence those outcomes, but there is no perfect democracy, just the best attempts at what people can build within their existing social systems.

                Democracy is a political system, while capitalism is an economic system - understanding how they interact with each other is useful and important, but pretending they’re mutually exclusive is unnecessarily reductive, and closes the space to actually discuss those things.

                Edit: the mere fact that Bolsonaro attempted to retain power by force, but was unable to do so in the face of losing the election is direct evidence that there are functional democratic institutions in Brazil

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                  Democracy isn’t a magic anti-fascist spell,

                  Yes it is, genius. THAT IS LITERALLY WHY IT WAS INVENTED.

                  If someone can convince enough of the population to elect them, then they get into power, fascist or not.

                  If power is conveniently centralized for a fascist to take control of, Clyde, IT MEANS YOU NEVER HAD A DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY TO START OFF WITH.

                  By your definition, there really hasn’t been a blah, blah, blah…

                  How the fuck do you liberals get through the day with all this foaming, nuclear-level incoherence bouncing around inside your heads?

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            13 days ago

            So were lots of countries. At least they learned from their mistake, unlike the US.

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              At least they learned from their mistake, unlike the US.

              If Brazil had learned from it’s mistake it WOULDN’T HAVE ALLOWED A FASCIST INTO POWER, genius.

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                I meant it in the “fool me once” sense. Americans went for a second helping at the trough of fascism.

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                  Americans went for a second helping at the trough of fascism.

                  The US has been pro-fascist long, long before Mussolini gave it a name.

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          As long as it keeps censoring its citizens, everthing fine! 🙄

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                The old system of using fact-checking agencies was biased, and the content they deemed false had its reach negatively impacted. They were literally the arbiters of truth, and their actions silenced their political opponents’ voices. The new system of Community Notes is superior because it requires approval from people with diverse political alignments to show a fact-check to everyone.

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    14 days ago

    Brasil, please ban facebook. First twitter then facebook. Fuck the gready corporate assholes. Someone needs to make a first step and create a precedent, we need this. Social media will be (already is) the downfall of our civilization.

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    14 days ago

    According to the extrajudicial notice, this allows users to associate sexual identity to “a mental illness or abnormality” and allows “the defense of professional limitations based on gender.”

    Why does anyone associate with this site. It’s beyond me.

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    Meta’s anti-LGBT rules are closely knit to their ending the fact-checking: It is science denialism and linked to racism and vaccine skepticism.

    Homosexuality and gender identity are not considered mental illnesses, Sex is not a binary, and Race is not connected to intelligence.

    Bigots never liked science on these three, and now they use political power to impose their narrative.

    Meta never moderated such discourse. Nor reddit nor twitter nor youtube. There was no censorship to end here. What this is, it is a free pass to punch down trans and gay people. It is incitement to violence, and Zuckerberg and Musk must go to the gallows for it.

    Don’t get me started on the toxic harassment these platforms have allowed against African and Carribean reparation activists, how they have destroyed the lives of feminists, and how they have named all Palestinians terrorists.

    At this point race realists and gender essentialists have ensured political and technological control of the narrative.

    There is no room for debating sealioning trolls on this one. If they don’t understand the social dynamics against gender/sex/minorities at this moment, they are no better than brownshirts.

    It is permabans and hooks and jabs all the way, for every single weird freak that backs this deranged hateful shit.

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    Never in my wildest dreams did I imagine Brazil apparently propping up the internet, but huge swathes of twitter shutdown when Brazil banned it a while back, for a short time.

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      14 days ago

      It’s easy to be bold when the US president is weak. I don’t think they’d ban X if Trump was president at the time.

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        Hahahahahaha, that was a good one. Do another one where you pretend Trump wasn’t the biggest, weakest idiot ever to hold this office.

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    14 days ago

    Brazil needs to solve their high homicide rate before demanding things from Meta. Serving the people instead of being petty.