• FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        10 days ago

        Yes. Without them there is no justification for inequality. So to the people in power, they are very important.

        But incase you genuinely believe that social order is impossible without hierarchies, you should probably read up on stateless societies, communal decision making, and anarchism.

        • SamboT@lemmy.world
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          10 days ago

          If the goal of society is to put equality above all else then i take your point.

          I think horizontal hierarchies are generally better in an organization in terms of motivating people to contribute and give them a sense of equity.

          But idk how you avoid the fact that people do have bad ideas, or well intentioned ideas that could start a cascade of delays in project planning for example. People focusing on the excellence at different levels of work is important right? But having a chain of command to maintain vision, timelines, budgets, stakeholders seems to depend on hierarchy.

          • WrittenInRed [any]@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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            10 days ago

            I think the main rebuttal to that argument is what stops that from happening in a hierarchy? If anything having one makes that more likely, since someone in charge can have a bad idea and no one below them has any real power to stop it. There’s a reason “incompetent boss/manager” is such a common trope. Having a horizontal structure where consensus is prioritized actually helps prevent those sorts of issues, since people who are the most knowledgeable and involved in the process are the ones making those decisions. It’s why group brainstorming sessions are so common, bouncing ideas off of other people involved in a project is extremely useful to help filter or improve bad ideas and build on good ones. Horizontal groups are sort of the natural state that you fall into when collaborating with people when there isn’t an existing rigidly enforced hierarchy between the members.

    • fxomt@lemm.eeEnglish
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      10 days ago

      on that thread most comments were downvoted lmao, i even got a comment in the negatives because i called them fascists (they are, doesnt matter if they like the USSR or not)

      thanks for cleaning this comm up 👍

      edit: someone literally downvoted every single comment in this thread lmao, the fascists are mad

      • Ghoelian@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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        10 days ago

        Not sure why, but that happens in a lot of threads. Most threads I see all comments have at least one downvote lol

        • fxomt@lemm.eeEnglish
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          10 days ago

          Naturally, red fascists are sensitive to being called out, since their natural habitat is the internet.

          Seriously, how the fuck do we not consider them actual fascists? they support putin, xi and worst of all, bashaar al Kalb. They’re fascists that just want free housing and food.

          PS: I’m a socialist myself, i’m not criticizing the left or the ideologies as a whole, just their Stalin circlejerk cult.

          • Cassa@lemmy.blahaj.zoneOPEnglish
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            10 days ago

            It’s such a weird thing. Stalinism is clearly facism. It almost seems like it’s impossible due to the facists fighting themselves

            • fxomt@lemm.eeEnglish
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              10 days ago

              Welfare fascism: fascism with free houses

              That’s their entire ideology pretty much.

              While we got mass downvoted by them I’m glad I was able to have a sane conversation for once about socialism, without their BS. Its a nice change of pace

  • Iceblade@lemmy.world
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    10 days ago

    What cartoon is that gal from? Seems recognizeable, but can’t remember where I’ve seen it before

    • catsarebadpeople@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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      10 days ago

      https://lemmy.ml/u/yogthos

      This is a tankie. Nothing they say is genuine or in good faith. Their agenda is to manipulate and lie because they’re miserable. Feel free to check out their post and comment history if you want to see what a stain on humanity looks like.

    • neidu3@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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      10 days ago

      In case you’re asking out of good faith curiosity:

      Tankie is a pejorative (and rightfully so) term for a particular brand of communist/socialist. It’s worth noting that I have nothing against communists or communism in general (even though I don’t agree with it as a political system). A tankie is someone whose standpoint is that communism can do no wrong; anything that went wrong in USSR and China is CIA’s fault, and the Czechs, Hungarians, and Tibetans had it coming.

      Oh, and to any tankies who are reading this and are tempted to engage in sealioning, don’t bother - I don’t care and probably won’t respond. Plus there’s a pretty good chance you’re already on my block list. Call me fascist if you will (I’vebeen called worse things), but at least tell me a definition of fascism that doesn’t also encompass todays China and Russia

      Basically, it’s a label applied to people of a communist persuasion who have given up on any form of critical thinking, and just defaults to “America bad, therefore anything opposing it must be good”. Yes, America bad indeed. But that doesn’t automatically Pol Pot, Kim Young Un, and Stalin are good.

      Also, don’t be surprised if this comment is downvoted to oblivion after someone links it on hexbear or lemmygrad. It’s quite telling that comments like this are usually attacked based on syntax rather than substance, while refusing to actually explain what happened at Tianmen Square or during the Holodomor, without citing russian or Chinese propaganda.

      Also, the name is a reference to communist countries sending tanks against civilians, RE: Hungary 1956, Prague 1968, and Tianmen Square 1989

        • SkyezOpen@lemmy.world
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          9 days ago

          True. The problem is their thought process is “therefore every country that’s adversarial to the US is good” including Russia, China, North Korea, etc.

        • el_bhm@lemm.ee
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          9 days ago

          If anyone wants to argue. Both want an oppressive rule that brings about very great gains to the society. Certain parts are eradicated.

          All in the name of greater good.

          More importantly, oppression magically skips over them.

          Yes, that is fascism. Funny you ask.

  • DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social
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    10 days ago

    Considering America just became a fascist state, I vote tankies be allowed to post if they have actual tanks they’re willing to donate to the radical militias we’ve obviously all joined.

    • PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world
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      10 days ago

      Communist apologists. Nicknamed “tankies” because many would deny/defend things like the Tiananmen Square Massacre, the Hungarian revolt of 1956, Czechoslovakian revolt of 1968, etc… Instances where authorities rolled tanks into town to deal with revolts, which caused images like this:


      For a long time, communism’s first response to revolution seemed to be “send in the tanks to deal with it”, thus the nickname “tankies” for people who defended the practice. Lemmy has a lot of communist undertones. It sort of goes hand-in-hand with the “anyone can spin up their own instance and be their own admin” philosophy. The .ml instances are meant to stand for “Maoist/Leninist” so you’ll see a lot of tankies from those .ml instances… But some of the most prominent Lemmy devs use .ml as their home instance, so many instances are hesitant to defederate from them entirely.

      It also means there are lots of disagreements about what “real” communism is. Discussions which would get buried on right-leaning (compared to communism) platforms like Meta or Reddit are up front and center on Lemmy. So you’ll see the word thrown around a lot here, especially compared to anywhere else. Because the only thing that causes more arguments than “left vs right” is “moderate left vs far left”.

      Most of the leftists and communists at least recognize the evils that communism has enabled in the past. But you’ll inevitably get tankies with the “akshually it wasn’t communism’s fault, it was the individuals” every time anything slightly anti-communist gets brought up.