ID: Is this a pigeon meme where the person is tagged “cis society”, the butterfly in their hand is tagged “trans people having a backbone about anything at all”, and they are asking “is this destroying my free speech?”

  • samus12345@lemm.eeEnglish
    3·
    4 days ago

    I can’t find a source indicating he said that phrase. Where did you get the information from? The one I always hear is “When you’re accustomed to privilege”, etc. In that form, it would be better phrased as “equality can feel like oppression”, because obviously not everyone who benefits from the privilege agrees it’s right.

    • Juice@midwest.socialEnglish
      51·
      4 days ago

      Its from pedagogy of the oppressed

      But even when the contradiction is resolved authentically by a new situation established by the liberated laborers, the former oppressors do not feel liberated. On the contrary, they genuinely consider themselves to be oppressed. Conditioned by the experience of oppressing others, any situation other than their former seems to them like oppression. Formerly, they could eat, dress, wear shoes, be educated, travel, and hear Beethoven; while millions did not eat, had no clothes or shoes, neither studied nor traveled, much less listened to Beethoven. Any restriction on this way of life, in the name of the rights of the community, appears to the former oppressors as a profound violation of their individual rights—although they had no respect for the millions who suffered and died of hunger, pain, sorrow, and despair. For the oppressors, “human beings” refers only to themselves; other people are “things.” For the oppressors, there exists only one right: their right to live in peace, over against the right, not always even recognized, but simply conceded, of the oppressed to survival. And they make this concession only because the existence of the oppressed is necessary to their own existence.

      Keep in mind, this comes after a long section explaining that “it is the historic mission of the oppressed to restore the humanity of the oppressors,” so he’s not just chastising people for being bad here, he’s explaining (in part) why the oppressor can never free the oppressed; the oppressed liberates them both and creates a new kind of person.

      Sorry for my paraphrase, I haven’t read it for a little over a year, although I think about it a lot

      (I made an edit where I fixed a typo that like completely changed the meaning in the last paragraph)

      • TriflingToad@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        2·
        1 day ago

        do you ever read something and think “man… the author of this would totally rock the world of Greek philosophy back in the day”

        • Juice@midwest.socialEnglish
          2·
          15 hours ago

          All the time. Friere’s analysis, a Marxist analysis, when done correctly, and Friere was a master, takes into consideration not just a philosophical field of objects, forms or essences, but Marxism is a comprehensive theory of change and of relationships between two opposing forces, by putting human activity at the center of his analysis.

          Friere was on some shit the Greeks didn’t even have. Socrates Dialogues are “dialectical” but just surface level. The closest thing that existed in their time is Hermetic mysticism, a monist tradition from ancient Egypt that influenced the Islamic golden Age, Alchemy, Isaac Newton, Spinoza and Hegel, where the theories got their final polish before Marx quite literally flipped the table on it, transforming it from a mystical idealist philosophy, into a new materialist philosophy of change and revolution.

      • samus12345@lemm.eeEnglish
        4·
        4 days ago

        Ah, okay, so it’s the same general idea, but not expressed with those exact words.

        • Juice@midwest.socialEnglish
          41·
          4 days ago

          Yeah its funny though I thought it was more or less a direct quote, so thanks for calling it out. It is different enough to make me reconsider some of what I said