This meme is part of the “I’m an atheist because I had a bad experience at an evangelical church” starter pack
The answer is Lillith
Because Lillith wasn’t subservient to Adam; God made Eve from Adam to ensure she would always listen to him
Is that why I keep getting attacked by bears? Cos animals aren’t subservient to man?
I’m all for calling Christian bullshit out but this is a boomer tier meme
I’m a boomer.
Especially snakes. Ribs to spare.
God created Adam from
nothingmud. God is omnipotent. Why was he suddenly so restricted that he couldn’t create Eve just fromnothingsome more mud? Why did he go “darn, I’ll need something more, I guess I’ll borrow a rib to do that.”You can learn the theology and symbolism behind the creation in Genesis here. https://www.ancientfaith.com/podcasts/wholecounsel/
I want the one who downvoted you, but if you know the answer, I’m more than happy to hear about it.
From Genesis 2 –
23 And Adam said:
“This is now bone of my bones And flesh of my flesh; She shall be called Woman, Because she was taken out of Man.”
24 Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.
25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.
– Man and woman are of one flesh. This ontology gives context and purpose to their relationship. Man and woman are meant to be reunited in the flesh to the Glory of God.
The podcast goes into more detail and explains it better than me.
Lilith was created from mud like Adam, and refused to be subservient to him, so Eve was made from Adam as a replacement
Now we’re getting somewhere! But if God knows everything, how come he couldn’t create the same thing consistently? How come he couldn’t forsee that the first method wouldn’t work?
Since Adam was made from mud, his rib was too.
So technically, Eve was also made from mud.
“Do I just boringly make a chick out of mud, again? Nah. I will cripple this guy to make her.”
I think he made Adam out of mud or something
Fair, it’s been a while since I last read it. But my question stands: I guess there was some more mud left…?
My theology is a little rusty so bear with me, but; I believe the teaching here is that initially God did create ‘companions’ for Adam from the earth by way of creatures/animals/critters/etc and then had Adam go around naming them all. But then it goes on to say something like ‘there was not a helper fit for him from them’, so God made this “helper” (I’ll elaborate on that word) directly from Adam who immediately recognised her as being from himself. Genesis isn’t really literal either, especially not the first half of it so think of this more as a metaphor.
If you dive into the linguistics a bit (my memory here is also a bit rusty) the term “helper” is translated from the Hebrew word “ezer” and is the same word used to describe God’s relationship with humanity. There’s a lot of misinterpretation (understandably so IMO) about the word “helper” in most translations, but what most theologians believe it to mean by the use of the word “ezer” is the relationship between man and woman is collaborative and supportive, and not hierarchical despite the English translation making it sound a bit not like that.
There’s direct proof, though! Men have one fewer ribs on one side, and women have a full set of ribs because none of their’s was stolen.
Oh, wait. None of that is true. But words written in paper wouldn’t lie!
I thought all (vast majority at least) humans of any sex had one rib fewer on one side. Never gave it any thought as it doesn’t matter at all.
I’ve heard the theory that the “rib” removed from Adam refers to the baculum
I’m sure there’s no translation error that could go from baculum to rib. Those are very different things. That “theory” sounds like someone just grasping so they don’t have to question the accuracy of their magic book.
The Hebrew noun translated as "rib’', tzela (tzade, lamed, ayin), can indeed mean a costal rib. It can also mean the rib of a hill (2 Samuel 16:13), the side chambers (enclosing the temple like ribs, as in 1 Kings 6:5,6), or the supporting columns of trees, like cedars or firs, or the planks in buildings and doors (1 Kings 6:15,16). So the word could be used to indicate a structural support beam. Interestingly, Biblical Hebrew, unlike later rabbinic Hebrew, had no technical term for the penis and referred to it through many circumlocutions. When rendered into Greek, sometime in the second century BCE, the translators used the word pleura, which means side, and would connote a body rib (as the medical term pleura still does). This translation, enshrined in the Septuagint, the Greek Bible of the early church, fixed the meaning for most of western civilization, even though the Hebrew was not so specific.
Or so goes the claim.
Thanks for the additional information. I still don’t buy it. Yeah, even today we use “rib” to refer to structural pieces of buildings that resemble ribs. I don’t know the languages so I can’t actually check myself, but it seems like a stretch to just go from that information to penis, then from that to the “mistranslation” of Greek side rib. Why would the Greek translation do that if the Hebrew didn’t say it?
I know there are some really strange translation errors in the Bible, but regardless this one seems strange. I’m sure if you want to grasp you could make an argument for many other parts of the body too, with no way to falsify any of them. It’s a fun but of trivia to know though, so thanks again.
Translation is weird, especially when long periods of time are involved, even more so when you’re dealing with a text largely composed of symbolic or metaphorical language. Often times one word in language A corresponds to multiple words in language B, and you rely largely on context to decide which meaning was intended. Another biblical example is “It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter heaven”. In Aramaic, the words for “camel” and “thick rope” are nearly identical. Hebrew in particular has a lot of terms that refer to multiple thematically similar concepts.
So no more boners, eh?
words written on a screen are even better!
If I see words written on a screen, I’m taking the crayons away from my kid.
Iirc, for those interested, it’s actually a mistranslation of the original Hebrew term.
The original term is tzelas, which is a bit ambiguous.
It could be rib, but no real way of knowing.https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/1321fhe/comment/ji30zz0/
Why would an omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscience god allow his word to be mistranslated?
Free will
Underrated comment.
Mysterious ways
It obviously translates to baculum, the dick bone.
Which tracks perfectly with both the Bible refering to multiple bones, only a part of which were “taken”, and modern Hebrew speakers in the linked thread taking about how “rib” is probably the best translation.
It’s also why Spider Monkeys are the second most Chosen primate, since they both lack a bacculum and had their own relative Spider Monkey Eve. Lacking only Spider Monkey Jesus. While Chimpanzees are mere animals, still having their dick bones.
Isn’t the story that Eve was a remake after Lilith was kicked out? He needed the rib as “source material”?
Which is kind of a weird requirement when you just made the universe from scratch last week. Like why do we need crafting materials now?
Needed a Part of Adam so they could long to be together. Like a puzzle piece. Lilith was too independent because she was already whole.
Well, he doesn’t really “need” anything… Because omnipotence. He could have just made them long for each other. He could have just made Lilith less independent. Or he could have just made Adam not terrified of the second, unnamed wife… The whole thing really starts to break down the more you think about it :/
Lol I never take the Bible at face value. Wine Is blood of christ and such is ridiculous if literal.
I took the “rib” as a psychological independence humans would have had like solitary cat. Or maybe the “rib” symbolizes is the hormones human feel when being happily around others.
In any case, Something was taken out of humans that led to need for companionship In others so we fit together like a puzzle piece.
Why? Cause the dude is a programmer and like shortcuts.
That’s an interesting take, but if it’s a metaphor then it’s a broken one. Eve never had to lose anything, she’s whole and ergo, metaphorically, women wouldn’t feel the longing and need for companionship or whatever it is thats meant to be symbolized. If the torah is making a metaphor, then a better interpretation of the text might be that woman is created to be an object of man’s desire.
Ironically, the original story of Adam and Lilith being one, conjoined entity that is later split into two by god actually functions much better as a metaphor for human need to find love and companionship, but thats not the story that gets cannonized.
good take.
It to me is not so much like God broke Adam and put it in eve. As much as they both got 1/2 of something the old Adam 1.0 had.
You point still applies regardless.
Ah i see, that’s a fair interpretation. I never thought about it like that.
You get infinite free resources during the tutorial.
Nah, god just fucked up a little when making Adam, forgot to give him a full set of ribs. The whole female creation myth was just some quick thinking to cover up god’s little oopsie and make Adam feel better. In reality, girls don’t exist, especially on the internet
The Y is just an incomplete X 😳
Edit: this is also good.
What about invertebrate species?
Interesting question. I thought it said as much in Gen 1:24-25 or Gen 2:19, but a quick scan suggests the first reference to male and female animals is in the Ark arc.
It is possible Gen 2:21 could be interpreted to mean God did the rib thing for all male animals, but I think that’d be an unusual extrapolation. Those verses appear only to be talking about Adam. I think male and female animals were created together in Gen 1:24-25, but I can’t point to any specific words that support that.
Ark arc hehe
They can make up more silly beliefs on the spot, this is the wrong way to challenge bullshit.
The only wrong way to challenge bullshit is to stop enjoying the creation of equal and opposite bullshit.
When it stops being fun, find better people to spend time with.
