Don’t get hung up deciding between all the different suggestions in this thread. They are all good. Do whichever seems right in the moment. The important thing is that you do something. Every bit helps.
Damn, you really need a different acronym for that.
I seriously thought this was some extremist fuckcars shit.I’d rather see JSO cutting valve stems of ICE cars than obstructing traffic.
Fuckcars aren’t out to spare EVs over ICEs.
Glue a bb in the valve cap. It’ll let the air out with no sign of tampering. And happen angain every time they top it up.
Won’t it loudly hiss air when they refill and screw cap back on?
Love that
I was confused for a second because I read “ICE” as internal combustion engine. In my defense: I’m not American and “ICE” is commonly used that way in Formula 1
Or just don’t cross the border illegally
I took a look at your profile. You have to be the most consistently downvoted person on Lemmy. You’re either a troll, a propagandist, or one really lost individual. Almost all of your comments are xenophobic, misogynistic, racist, or some other form of anti-human speech. I don’t know what you have to be like in your head to truly feel all the things you’ve said on here in your heart.
I feel bad for you.
So many “illegals” are here after overstaying their visa, but you don’t want to talk about them because they’re mostly white and you’re a racist.
Tell that to all the citizens and legal immigrants getting rounded up “by mistake”.
Ya’ll, ice enforcement vehicles have run-flat tires. This would work on a fleet car, but those aren’t labeled, they’re just cars.
Those are still only rated to go 50 miles once depressurized.
They also wouldn’t even know their tires are flat until they start their car and get a tpms warning. Imagining them giving chase with depressurized run-flat tires is laughable too.A funny mental image, no argument here. But my point is that this isn’t going to disable a vehicle like some people in here are fantasizing - a high speed chase might be ruled out, but they’re still a very active threat, and they will easily be able to make it back to the motor pool with a minimum of damage. It’s not much of an inconvenience.
make it back to the motor pool with a minimum of damage
Yes, but it’ll be taken out of operation until the damaged valve is replaced. With government procurement rules and chaos in the actual government workforce, a few valves might actually interfere with operational readiness.
Um… no. Sorry, I suspect you just aren’t aware of how it works: Replacing a valve stem takes five minutes at most, and most of that is breaking and re-seating the bead. They’ll have a bin of loose spare stems at the motor pool garage, and anyone with thumbs and access to youtube can make this fix. This is a good act of minor/petty resistance to remind them that we’re here, but it’s not going to be more than that and people really need to understand how disproportionate the risk:resistance ratio is here.
Yeah it’s an easy fix for sure. The ~five minutes of labor does require the vehicle to be sent to the garage though, which practically speaking takes them out of commission for an hour at least:
Notice tpms light, finish current task, go to garage instead of going to next task
But you’re right, the risk/reward is dicey, good chance you’d be noticed.
Edit: in Minecraft
Sure, and there’s lots that isn’t being said here that complicates the issue even more. Many precincts use locking valve stem-caps, for example, or have armored or recessed valve stems as part of a bulletproof tire package. Neither one are insurmountable by any means, but they add extra time to whatever you’re doing - which you really can’t afford if you’re fucking with the most prominent arm of the fascist enforcement mechanism. This kind of simple resistance meme is extremely popular, because it lets people feel like they could fight back substantively without any overhead and a minimum of risk, but it’s just not quite as simple as people want it to be.
Take the fundamental premise, damaging an ICE vehicle. The absolute best time you could take out their tires would be while they’re involved in a large scale enforcement action like rounding up people accused of being brown. Their vehicles won’t be unattended though, and at the very least someone will be there for C3 and perimeter (and to make sure nobody fucks with their equipment like we’re talking about doing here). You’re not going to have more than a fleeting chance to run up and do something, and those goofy wire cutters in the OP image aren’t going to make a big enough hole to make a difference. And, again, they have run flat (or bulletproof, which I just learned you can drive at high speeds on) tires, which means they can still drive their captives to wherever they want.
The most feasible time to do something like in the OP is either to hop the fence to the motor pool (don’t do this, but if you manage to pull it off it’d be fucking great) or when you see an individual or paired vehicle parked on some routine errand of bastardry. But then, it’s not much of an inconvenience. Cop goes back to the garage, drinks coffee or does paperwork or jerks off to the idea of splitting up families (you know, whatever the cops do in their spare time) and they’re back in action in a generous hour. It’s just not much of an inconvenience, but it does send a very obvious message. And if enough people are doing it consistently enough, they’ll have to change their procedure for leaving vehicles unattended in the field. But, the chances of you getting this opportunity are extremely low.
I don’t have a problem with the concept in abstract, and it would be deeply annoying to deal with were I the cop, but people in this thread are getting really gung-ho about it and they need to calm down and think it through before they get themselves killed. Those doofy wire cutters, for instance: 8"/12" (12" is better, but obviously less concealable) compound bolt cutters are quite cheap and can fit in a purse, and will chew through tire stems, handcuffs, master locks, wire mesh panels, high impact plastic panels and even the rims of tires themselves (something they only have a handful of spares for, and which are a great deal more work to replace). They also make insulated versions that’ll safely go through electrical wiring, and of course in a pinch they work really well on things like glass windows or for self defense. And they’re small and cheap enough you can reasonably ditch them just about anywhere and walk away without a loss.
There’s shitloads of things you can do that seem simple and effective, but if you’re taking advice for fighting fascists just from a meme, you’re going to get yourself disappeared real quick. I’d really prefer that doesn’t happen to anybody in this thread (except that nazi guy, but the mods seem to have ousted him. Foreshadowing? We can only hope).
I appreciate you for convincing me to get a smaller pair of bolt cutters for my purse! Honestly just seems like a good idea in general. Everyone has a pocket knife, but being the gal to save the day with cutters would be rad as hell.
But yeah, the odds of someone having a window to do this and having the right tool for the job and getting away with it are definitely not plausible as a consistent method of resistance. No disagreements there.
Internal combustion engine enforcement?
Well done, you figured it out. Have a cookie.
Definitely don’t do that. Rapidly letting all of the air out is VERY VERY LOUD. Instead, “do not” have a valve stem tool in your pocket and DEFINITELY do not barely loosen the stem core so that it leaks out slower but much more quietly, allowing you to be long gone when they “go flat”.
I never knew someone who didn’t unscrew the the valve cap and avoided placing a small pebble or BB inside the cap before they didn’t screw the cap back on and then didn’t inadvertently introduce a slow leak which did not cause the tire to not become flat over a period of time.
I wonder if ‘how to use a valve stem tool’ will start being tracked in searches. I’m sure we are all on a list already, but can you imagine getting a new one created, just for us?
Bruh it’s literally just a screw driver that you use to twist the valve stem in or out. If you need a tutorial for that this may not be the best idea for you
Never throw a sharp piece of ceramic at a car window it will shatter the windows.
Alternatively, you don’t want to get busted for destruction of federal property:
https://www.autozone.com/tire-repair-and-tire-wheel/tire-valve-stem-core-remover-tool
These can be found as cheap as maybe $1, and by just removing the cap, you can simply unscrew the valve stem and walk away, replacing the cap. It does no long term or meaningful damage to the vehicle (unless they drive on the flats), and you can easily attach it to a key chain so you always have one with you.
I mean. If you think you couldn’t be successfully prosecuted for smudging the paint intentionally, that’s pretty naive. If the current admin wants to make an example of people caught fucking with ICE vehicles, your advice here isn’t gonna make a meaningful difference. But I agree that this is a clever way to accomplish the goal without actual damage.
Oh 100%. I’m not going with this method primarily because I don’t think I’m going to get prosecuted. The plausible defense is just a co-benefit. These fuckers would probably trying and prosecute if you even look at their rig.
No the valve stem remover approach is superior for several reasons.
First, foremost, it affords an attack of opportunity. Just throw this fucker on your key-ring. You do not need to plan shit. You aren’t carrying something that could in anyway be construed as anything other than what it is. Its about as damning as having a bottle opener on your key ring and some one accusing you of drink driving because of it. You never know when inspiration and opportunity are going to take to the dance floor. Fortune favors the prepared mind.
Second, and almost as important as the first. Its subtle. I don’t even need to take the whole core out. I can just loosen it a bit so it creates and almost inaudible leak. So what if it takes 10-20 minutes to fully deflate? Even better. I’m long, long gone by the time that its even noticeable. There is another below about using a knife or slashing a tire wall. Which is like, fine, but thats gonna be loud, its gonna be immediate, and its gonna be obvious. You aren’t going to get two of that job done. And the valve stem puller? I can do it again. And again and again.
Well hell yeah and not naive at all, cheers!
Always choose the right tools for your project.
I like the thought process but I still feel like those motherfuckers would get you for destruction of federal property if you got caught doing this.
Yeah and a not insignificant chance of them shooting you.
Alternatively, if you don’t care about committing crime, slash the side walls instead. This is not repairable and much more expensive to replace a tire than a valve stem.
Stabbing the tyre itself is a gamble in terms of safety. Worst case the tyre basically explodes at you. cutting the stem doesn’t risk the tyre zippering from a failure point, and is definitely the preferred method.
Feel free to stab and slice the sidewall once the pressure is released if you want to make the repair as expensive as possible
Its also potentially slower, and definitely louder. I’ve never tried to bust through the side wall of a tire, but I’m gonna bet that even the side wall material is as tough as… well… a tire.
To get around that you might consider a bit of engineering. Tires effectively “pull” the road beneath them. If there is anything between the tire and the ground, it gets pulled first until the ground is met
A simple piece of bent metal cut into a 90 degree bend, with a rugged metal hook on one side, could easily be wedged between the tire and the ground in such a way, such that when the vehicle is being put into motion again, the forward rotation of the tire “drags” the metal spur into, and across the side wall of the tire. Basically bend the metal to a 90, cut a hook into one side, and wedge it in parallel. Once they roll out, the wheel pulls the hook across the side wall using the force of the transmission, and you can be very far away.
Obviously this would take more work, foresight, and maybe a bit of engineering and testing, but its worth keeping in mind.
At the end of the day however, its almost trivial to throw a $2 tool onto a key chain you are already carrying.
Speaking from experience a sharp knife will get the job done. Or a sharp punch and a hammer if you don’t have the arm strength to get a knife through the sidewall.
Also, just a side note it was funny you mentioned a bent piece of metal with a hook on one side. I was on a road trip with my family as a teenager when we hit something that took out 2 of our tires, one on my aunt’s car who was following us and about a dozen other cars. We were stuck so I ended up changing probably 5-6 tires for other people while we waited for a tow. While I was at it a dude pulled up and was like “Want to see what you hit?” and had almost exactly what you described in the back of his pickup. So… yea very effective lol.
Speaking from experience a sharp knife will get the job done.
How loud? The loudness to me is the biggest concern.
Depending on the tire pressure? If it’s above 30, it’s going to be loud enough to be heard if someone is within a hundred feet. If they’re inside a building, you’d probably be mistaken for something else going on in the building. A knife into a 40 PSI tire is enough to make your ears ring for a second or two.
I think the SUVs they’d be using are going to be somewhere in the realm of 35-50. Tahoes were around 38-40 when I drove one.
Depends on a number of things like how much air pressure, how big the hole is, shape of the hole etc. I would say generally quieter than pulling the valve core.
Or, one might use caltrops. I used to fantasize about having small caltrops that I could throw under tires of vehicles that cut me off or drove too close while I was biking. Place some a little ways in front of the tires so that when the vehicle took off, it had some momentum to drive the points into the tires.
I think you are describing roofing nails. But realistically, you don’t aim caltrops and you are almost assuredly only going to create collateral damage.
You can always lentil-bean them too!
Anyway don’t do this to old, low-end cars. If that person’s driving a 15 year old Corolla then they probably can’t afford a brand new Tesla. As much as we’d like everyone to drive an EV, single moms tend to prioritize feeding their kids.
I agree with your sentiment
In this case though, they’re referring to the federal ICE, not internal combustion engine.
I think the caption refers to Immigration and Customs Enforcement, not Internal Combustion Engine.
Ohhhhh that makes so much sense now! Here I was thinking this was some radical pro-EV group going out there making it happen!
That was a remarkably calm comment considering the read intention is creating thousands of unsafe vehicles on the road along with other drivers and pedestrians.
Yeah I was perplexed (hence feeling the need to comment) but lemmy never ceases to surprise me!
It wasn’t, but now I want it to be
Customs and Border Protection patrols the border, checks visas and passports of everyone passing through a port, etc. ICE comes to grab people at home or work or school or church to snatch them up out of their day to day lives and sends them away.
Every nation has something like CBP. ICE, though, is something especially authoritarian/fascist.
As it is currently, electric cars are worse for the environment because we all decided electric cars are basically the iphones of automobiles.
They are riddled with planned obscelence and proprietary hardware. Theres not a chance in hell these would last longer than 10 years.
Meanwhile ICE vehicles can easily last decades if well cared for
I’m not shilling ICE vehicles, but stating the fact we NEED right to repair before we adopt electric vehicles on a large scale.
Remember that capitalism WANTS our belongings to break, and WANTS to infinitely produce, and WANTS us to infinitely consume.
Biggest problem is not the engine in the car but the car itself. So much energy must go into their production, maintenance and running compared to literally any other form of land transport. Take a train, ride a bike, walk, etc. hell even replacing the cars with electric mopeds would make a more significant impact. We need to be reducing the number of cars on the road and encouraging carpooling for commuters who don’t have other options (aka mostly folks in rural areas who happen to also be those that will benefit the most financially from driving less)
Aside from the batteries needing to be replaced at some point, electric vehicles should far outlast their ICE counterparts. A significant breakthrough in batteries could make that well worth it.
I’d love a right to repair, but also prefer to just get rid of capitalism. Not that these have to be mutually exclusive.
Yes, EVs should outlast ICE (excrept maybe the motors) but as it stands now, if theres something wrong with any of thr electronics it just won’t work, and you need to get it repaired, with special proprietary parts, from an official dealer ship and charges eye watering prices, so thr cars end up in the junkyard cause its too expensive to repair, and it becomes e-waste.
I hoping my (PH)EV lasts as long as my previous (and hopefully last) ICE. I only got 15 years out of the ICE, and I’ve gotten 5 out of the EV so far…
Its the electric motors that should outlast an ICE vehicles. Its just a simpler design with less moving parts. They use rotational energy directly rather than converting translational energy via pistons and a drive train requiring a transmission, lubrication, cooling, and regular maintanence. Non of that is hardly needed with an ev, at least to a signifactly smaller degree. An induction motor doesn’t even have parts that touch anything to rotate.
Not to mention that should a battery technology develop with anything close to the energy density of gasoline, evs should be able to achieve ranges in the 1000s of miles.
100% agree that the hardware and software should be open sourced though.
Electric motors last fucking forever. We had a lathe at the last place I worked that was made in Nazi Germany with its original electric motor. The motors are what makes it last so long. It’s the batteries and other electronics that fail in EVs. Ever been in a factory and seen those little yellow carts? Those things are ancient, poorly maintained, and exist in filthy conditions usually.
Half of my model trains date back to the 80s and earlier and have spent significant periods of that time just sitting unmaintained in boxes. No lube or anything, apply power and they just go. Good luck getting the same out of an ICE powered vehicle after just a couple of years of not being used. Electric motors are awesome!
Yep, and the funny thing is about EVs is that all the electronics that fail, are also on ICE vehicles these days.
Agreed. SUV’S though, independent of its age
As an EV driver I was very confused at first. I know they arent great for the environment but that seemed extreme.
Then I realized what you meant.
I thought it meant internal combustion engine too lol
…what else could it mean?
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. The post is in response to Trump’s mass deportation efforts.
Ohhh, thanks. I’m in the EU so I don’t keep entirely up to date with the crap abroad, gotta think of my mental health lol
I live in the US currently and unfortunately filter out most of it for the same reason too. I’m already outraged and terrified etc, might as well save some coping skills for other things.
Or you could put a small stone in the valve stem cap and twist it on just enough to slowly leak.
Takes a bit longer but it’s going to hit a while from now, maybe while they’re driving.
Read that on the internet, did you?
I believe I am, for all intents and purposes, the actual originator of that trick (in terms of publishing it on the internet, anyway). You have no idea how much it warms the cockles of my twisted little black heart to see that someone else posted this before I was able to.
I feel like this kind of trick, and so many other goodies, were all on totse.
I’m positive it was. At one point in the good old days I moderated the “Bad Ideas” subforum on Totse, before the redesign and subsequent crash and burn of the forums.
Exactly. I’m going back to maybe 2000, 2001. I was 13, going on 14, so it was the perfect website for me unfortunately.
As a fellow internetor, I find this extremely hard to believe, but if it is accurate, hell yeah, keep fighting the fight
Does it actually work, or is it one of the hundreds of internet tricks that keep getting reposted because they sound like they would?
It does, if performed correctly. You can tell by giving the stem a listen. The escaping air will be quite audible.
So our independent lab testing on our own private vehicles in controlled conditions reports, anyway. My lawyers told me to add that last part.
I have the best results using BBs. Metal BBs, not airsoft pellets.
Yeah except for all you’ll do is give them a blowout on the highway putting other innocent peoples lives at risk.
This is an absolutely retarded way to vandalize someone’s property.
It’ll take a couple minutes for the tire to be completely flat. If they drive past that, they’re not making it to the highway. If you’re doing it on a car that’ll drive away within minutes, there’s likely an agent nearby and you’ve got bigger problems.
It can take hours or days for a slow leak to become noticeable.
Where do you get the notion a tire would be flat on minutes from a valve stem leak lmfao?
We’re not talking about a slow leak, were talking about putting a pebble (or lentil) into the valve cap and screwing it on. That pushes down on the valve, opening it up. I’ve personally witnessed that at a protest, being done to some idiot who was honking and insulting people walking by. A group of people walked up to his car and did exactly that, by the time police where interviewing him a few minutes later his tyres where noticably starting to flatten.
Here’s a video demonstrating the process: https://youtube.com/watch?v=K0fq_kJHIWw
What you’re saying produces a slow leak.
Why lie that it deflates in minutes? Go do it to your tire, a pebble that fits in, can only produce a slow leak. Now removing the entire valve stem core and removing the cap, that’ll deflate it in about 10-15 minutes. That’s still vastly longer than the claimed “minutes”.
Post a video, prove it dude. So removing the core and cap takes over 10 minutes, but somehow magically a pebble reduces that to minutes? Prove it dude, your anecdotal evidence is clearly a made up lie.
The air is like a flock of sheep - as soon as one finds a way out, they all immediately rush out too.
Even a tiny nick on the stem, the tyre would be flat before they’ve fastened their seatbelts.
That’s not how tires work at all mate….
Yes, yes it is. The tyre is at a higher pressure than the atmosphere so any hole will allow the air to equalize but the difference is how that air comes out:
Stab the sidewall (big hole, rapidly) air rushes out with a big bang.
Snip the stem, smaller hole, air rushes out slower but still very quick. Likely flat in under a minute. Different structure/strength that sidewall which is why it doesn’t pop/explode.
If you get a puncture, the reason it doesn’t leak as fast as snipping the stem (nor pop) - usually the nail/screw is still in the tyre, keeping it plugged somewhat, the distortion of the tyre under weight means this hole can open and close as the car rolls letting out a little at a time.
Source: have had punctures that take hrs to run flat, have watched tyre techs clip stems on an old tyres, seen videos of tyres being stabbed.
See the slow leak a pebble provides?
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You keep using that word. You know which.
Stop.
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They aren’t defending the suggestion. They are taking issue with you using a medical condition to insult someone’s intelligence.
Ableism isn’t OK.
How is it ableist to call a mentally challenged solution retarded…?
I never insulted anyone’s intelligence.
It’s retarded to stare at the sun during an eclipse, stating that isn’t ableist. That’s all I did.
“retarded” is a medical term for intellectual disabilities. That’s why it’s not allowed, saying a method is “stupid” would have been fine. I’ve asked the main mod to explicitly mention it in the rules to avoid confusion in the future.
Regardless of whether or not you personally think it’s an acceptable term to use, best to drop it from your lexicon if you intend to continue interacting with polite society. That term is rapidly becoming wildly innappropriate in all contexts
It’s retarded to stare at the sun during an eclipse, stating that isn’t ableist. That’s all I did.
Superglue the stone into the cap. That way it’ll keep deflating the tire until the cap is replaced.
Buy a pack of valve caps. Super glue stones in them and carry them around. When you see ICE vehicles, replace their valve cap for yours. Repeat as necessary.
I bet if you bought real nice ones they’d let you do it.
You want the generic black ones that you can find anywhere. That way they can’t trace the purchase down to you.
And remember to bleach your tracks. If they figure out what’s going on, I guarantee they’ll try everything from fingerprints to DNA on the caps, and even if the majority of the time the heat/vibration/dirt of the cap’s environs is enough to remove your traces, you don’t want to be on the long tail of that curve.
That’s some big brain shit right there.
For the love of god don’t do this, you might kill someone.
Them slowly getting a flat is not going to cause an accident. The low pressure warning is gonna come up well before anything dangerous actually happens
Probably still not going to cause an accident, but not all vehicles have low pressure warning systems. My car doesn’t.
Most do, obviously excepting older vehicles. It’s mandatory per Federal law in the US since the 2007 model year, and I believe the 2014 model year in the EU.
Still, in the nearly a century prior people managed to deal with unexpected flat tires and slow air leaks even without such electronic geegaws just fine.
My car is a 2005.
And my truck is a 1999. And none of my motorcycles have TPMS, either.
And yet, neither of us are dead.
Ok, I’m the guy who said it probably wouldn’t cause an accident so it’s not like I’m going to disagree with you.
Fair enough but still it’s not gonna be like a blowout
Eventually it might because we’re human, cheap and, stupid.
- tire is slowly deflated
- driver doesn’t notice it and drives on the flat damaging the sidewalls or driver does notice it but drives on the flat anyway to get to safety/a repair place
- reason for deflation is found and corrected.
- tire with damaged sidewall is refilled with air and driven on.
- At some point in the future, under stressful conditions that the tire normally could handle the sidewall gives out in a catastrophic blowout.
They all do. Maybe not an LED, but I promise you’ll get a warning anyway as soon as you drive.
Apparently this is a 2007 thing, my car is a 2005. I promise you it doesn’t.
If your car leans to one side, that’s your warning.
That and the change in ride and hissing is a pretty obvious giveaway too that something is up
source: got a couple of flats in vehicles that dont have tire pressure sensors
Lol, it’s a government vehicle. I’d be willing to bet that warning is on all the time. The sending units are integrated into the valvestem and cost a lot more than old school valvestems.
Even retail they’re only like $25 a pop, which granted is more than the buck-or-less of a normal rubber valve stem but probably pretty negligible if you’re on a government budget. They’re less in bulk. The real bitch is you need to dismount the tire from the rim to get at it, then remount and balance it. And then get the vehicle to learn the new sensor ID code which for some vehicles can’t be done onboard and requires a separate gadget.
This is property damage, you’ll get a misdemeanor if they want to charge you. Owning a tire valve core tool, removing the cores, and placing them on the tire is only criminal mischief. Don’t forget to put the valve stem cap back on for more fun!
Just back 'em out slightly. It’ll take them ages to figure it out.
Would a Molotov cocktail through the window also work?
For getting the air out of the tire? Sure, probably. Eventually…
Superglue a BB in the cap
criminal mischief
Sounds like something a rascally little ragamuffin would do in a 1950s comic book 😄
An ICE is a train 🚆
Waterboarding in Guantanamo Bay with the ICE men sounds super fun, if you don’t know what any of these words mean.
Internal Combustion Engine actually
People really like ICE acronyms, huh
Some trains integrate an integral combustion engine.
Strangely, ICE trains don’t.
i love destruction of property.
If you’re going to destroy property, go arson a large business or something. Not your neighbors car lmao
The meme is about ICE the immigration control assholes, not ICE as in internal combustion engines. Your neighbours’ cars are safe.
lol, shitty meme.
i realized that in the comments shortly after posting but oh well lmao.
Unless they work for ICE
it’s referring to the other ICE. like, Immigration and Customs Enforcement
