A funny mental image, no argument here. But my point is that this isn’t going to disable a vehicle like some people in here are fantasizing - a high speed chase might be ruled out, but they’re still a very active threat, and they will easily be able to make it back to the motor pool with a minimum of damage. It’s not much of an inconvenience.
make it back to the motor pool with a minimum of damage
Yes, but it’ll be taken out of operation until the damaged valve is replaced. With government procurement rules and chaos in the actual government workforce, a few valves might actually interfere with operational readiness.
Um… no. Sorry, I suspect you just aren’t aware of how it works: Replacing a valve stem takes five minutes at most, and most of that is breaking and re-seating the bead. They’ll have a bin of loose spare stems at the motor pool garage, and anyone with thumbs and access to youtube can make this fix. This is a good act of minor/petty resistance to remind them that we’re here, but it’s not going to be more than that and people really need to understand how disproportionate the risk:resistance ratio is here.
Yeah it’s an easy fix for sure. The ~five minutes of labor does require the vehicle to be sent to the garage though, which practically speaking takes them out of commission for an hour at least:
Notice tpms light, finish current task, go to garage instead of going to next task
But you’re right, the risk/reward is dicey, good chance you’d be noticed.
Sure, and there’s lots that isn’t being said here that complicates the issue even more. Many precincts use locking valve stem-caps, for example, or have armored or recessed valve stems as part of a bulletproof tire package. Neither one are insurmountable by any means, but they add extra time to whatever you’re doing - which you really can’t afford if you’re fucking with the most prominent arm of the fascist enforcement mechanism. This kind of simple resistance meme is extremely popular, because it lets people feel like they could fight back substantively without any overhead and a minimum of risk, but it’s just not quite as simple as people want it to be.
Take the fundamental premise, damaging an ICE vehicle. The absolute best time you could take out their tires would be while they’re involved in a large scale enforcement action like rounding up people accused of being brown. Their vehicles won’t be unattended though, and at the very least someone will be there for C3 and perimeter (and to make sure nobody fucks with their equipment like we’re talking about doing here). You’re not going to have more than a fleeting chance to run up and do something, and those goofy wire cutters in the OP image aren’t going to make a big enough hole to make a difference. And, again, they have run flat (or bulletproof, which I just learned you can drive at high speeds on) tires, which means they can still drive their captives to wherever they want.
The most feasible time to do something like in the OP is either to hop the fence to the motor pool (don’t do this, but if you manage to pull it off it’d be fucking great) or when you see an individual or paired vehicle parked on some routine errand of bastardry. But then, it’s not much of an inconvenience. Cop goes back to the garage, drinks coffee or does paperwork or jerks off to the idea of splitting up families (you know, whatever the cops do in their spare time) and they’re back in action in a generous hour. It’s just not much of an inconvenience, but it does send a very obvious message. And if enough people are doing it consistently enough, they’ll have to change their procedure for leaving vehicles unattended in the field. But, the chances of you getting this opportunity are extremely low.
I don’t have a problem with the concept in abstract, and it would be deeply annoying to deal with were I the cop, but people in this thread are getting really gung-ho about it and they need to calm down and think it through before they get themselves killed. Those doofy wire cutters, for instance: 8"/12" (12" is better, but obviously less concealable) compound bolt cutters are quite cheap and can fit in a purse, and will chew through tire stems, handcuffs, master locks, wire mesh panels, high impact plastic panels and even the rims of tires themselves (something they only have a handful of spares for, and which are a great deal more work to replace). They also make insulated versions that’ll safely go through electrical wiring, and of course in a pinch they work really well on things like glass windows or for self defense. And they’re small and cheap enough you can reasonably ditch them just about anywhere and walk away without a loss.
There’s shitloads of things you can do that seem simple and effective, but if you’re taking advice for fighting fascists just from a meme, you’re going to get yourself disappeared real quick. I’d really prefer that doesn’t happen to anybody in this thread (except that nazi guy, but the mods seem to have ousted him. Foreshadowing? We can only hope).
I appreciate you for convincing me to get a smaller pair of bolt cutters for my purse! Honestly just seems like a good idea in general. Everyone has a pocket knife, but being the gal to save the day with cutters would be rad as hell.
But yeah, the odds of someone having a window to do this and having the right tool for the job and getting away with it are definitely not plausible as a consistent method of resistance. No disagreements there.
I mostly use my pair as an impromptu hammer, but the few times I’ve been able to just whip them out and save the day with snipping have been life defining
A funny mental image, no argument here. But my point is that this isn’t going to disable a vehicle like some people in here are fantasizing - a high speed chase might be ruled out, but they’re still a very active threat, and they will easily be able to make it back to the motor pool with a minimum of damage. It’s not much of an inconvenience.
Yes, but it’ll be taken out of operation until the damaged valve is replaced. With government procurement rules and chaos in the actual government workforce, a few valves might actually interfere with operational readiness.
Um… no. Sorry, I suspect you just aren’t aware of how it works: Replacing a valve stem takes five minutes at most, and most of that is breaking and re-seating the bead. They’ll have a bin of loose spare stems at the motor pool garage, and anyone with thumbs and access to youtube can make this fix. This is a good act of minor/petty resistance to remind them that we’re here, but it’s not going to be more than that and people really need to understand how disproportionate the risk:resistance ratio is here.
Yeah it’s an easy fix for sure. The ~five minutes of labor does require the vehicle to be sent to the garage though, which practically speaking takes them out of commission for an hour at least:
But you’re right, the risk/reward is dicey, good chance you’d be noticed.
Edit: in Minecraft
Sure, and there’s lots that isn’t being said here that complicates the issue even more. Many precincts use locking valve stem-caps, for example, or have armored or recessed valve stems as part of a bulletproof tire package. Neither one are insurmountable by any means, but they add extra time to whatever you’re doing - which you really can’t afford if you’re fucking with the most prominent arm of the fascist enforcement mechanism. This kind of simple resistance meme is extremely popular, because it lets people feel like they could fight back substantively without any overhead and a minimum of risk, but it’s just not quite as simple as people want it to be.
Take the fundamental premise, damaging an ICE vehicle. The absolute best time you could take out their tires would be while they’re involved in a large scale enforcement action like rounding up people accused of being brown. Their vehicles won’t be unattended though, and at the very least someone will be there for C3 and perimeter (and to make sure nobody fucks with their equipment like we’re talking about doing here). You’re not going to have more than a fleeting chance to run up and do something, and those goofy wire cutters in the OP image aren’t going to make a big enough hole to make a difference. And, again, they have run flat (or bulletproof, which I just learned you can drive at high speeds on) tires, which means they can still drive their captives to wherever they want.
The most feasible time to do something like in the OP is either to hop the fence to the motor pool (don’t do this, but if you manage to pull it off it’d be fucking great) or when you see an individual or paired vehicle parked on some routine errand of bastardry. But then, it’s not much of an inconvenience. Cop goes back to the garage, drinks coffee or does paperwork or jerks off to the idea of splitting up families (you know, whatever the cops do in their spare time) and they’re back in action in a generous hour. It’s just not much of an inconvenience, but it does send a very obvious message. And if enough people are doing it consistently enough, they’ll have to change their procedure for leaving vehicles unattended in the field. But, the chances of you getting this opportunity are extremely low.
I don’t have a problem with the concept in abstract, and it would be deeply annoying to deal with were I the cop, but people in this thread are getting really gung-ho about it and they need to calm down and think it through before they get themselves killed. Those doofy wire cutters, for instance: 8"/12" (12" is better, but obviously less concealable) compound bolt cutters are quite cheap and can fit in a purse, and will chew through tire stems, handcuffs, master locks, wire mesh panels, high impact plastic panels and even the rims of tires themselves (something they only have a handful of spares for, and which are a great deal more work to replace). They also make insulated versions that’ll safely go through electrical wiring, and of course in a pinch they work really well on things like glass windows or for self defense. And they’re small and cheap enough you can reasonably ditch them just about anywhere and walk away without a loss.
There’s shitloads of things you can do that seem simple and effective, but if you’re taking advice for fighting fascists just from a meme, you’re going to get yourself disappeared real quick. I’d really prefer that doesn’t happen to anybody in this thread (except that nazi guy, but the mods seem to have ousted him. Foreshadowing? We can only hope).
I appreciate you for convincing me to get a smaller pair of bolt cutters for my purse! Honestly just seems like a good idea in general. Everyone has a pocket knife, but being the gal to save the day with cutters would be rad as hell.
But yeah, the odds of someone having a window to do this and having the right tool for the job and getting away with it are definitely not plausible as a consistent method of resistance. No disagreements there.
I mostly use my pair as an impromptu hammer, but the few times I’ve been able to just whip them out and save the day with snipping have been life defining