okay but tankies aren’t white supremacists and that guy is wearing a screwdriver shirt
It’s an edit
What cartoon is that gal from? Seems recognizeable, but can’t remember where I’ve seen it before
Fuck Tankies, Fuck Conservatives.
Fuck everyone who tries to maintain or implement hierarchies.
Conservatives want you to carry on working for them. Talkies just want to change who you work for. Both can get fucked.
Fuck stateism.
Hierarchies seem like an important structure to have in society.
Yes. Without them there is no justification for inequality. So to the people in power, they are very important.
But incase you genuinely believe that social order is impossible without hierarchies, you should probably read up on stateless societies, communal decision making, and anarchism.
If the goal of society is to put equality above all else then i take your point.
I think horizontal hierarchies are generally better in an organization in terms of motivating people to contribute and give them a sense of equity.
But idk how you avoid the fact that people do have bad ideas, or well intentioned ideas that could start a cascade of delays in project planning for example. People focusing on the excellence at different levels of work is important right? But having a chain of command to maintain vision, timelines, budgets, stakeholders seems to depend on hierarchy.
They seem to depend on hierarchies but there are decision making processes that do not depend on hierarchies even tho they might resemble them on first glance. You can have a council that makes decisions on a consensual basis, sends revocable delegates to upper level councils. This might seem like representatives as in modern parliaments but the revocable part is important. If they can be called back at any point and the position is temporal from the start, this changes everything. Also decisions should be on the lowest possible level and everything must be voluntary.
Idk how that applies to every organization. It sounds pretty specific.
Because were talking about getting rid of all hierarchies right?
And if decisions are at rhe lowest possible levels then it seems like thats a hierarchy, which is more horizontal rather than not being a hierarchy.
Also i dont understand what “everything being voluntary” means and if that applies to all organizations or just government or what.
And i dont know what you meam by “the position” or “temporal” or “at the start” and that it “changes everything”.
“…Not that I condone fascism, or any -ism for that matter. -Ism’s in my opinion are not good. A person should not believe in an -ism, he should believe in himself. I quote John Lennon, “I don’t believe in the Beatles, I just believe in me.” Good point there. After all, he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. I’d still have to bum rides off people.”
…Not that I condone fascism, or any -ism for that matter. -Ism’s in my opinion are not good. A person should not believe in an -ism, he should believe in himself. I quote John Lennon, “I don’t believe in the Beatles, I just believe in me.” Good point there. After all, he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. I’d still have to bum rides off people.”
Such a great movie. And a wonderful criticism of isms.
Thank you! I was starting to think the reference was too old :-/
Plenty of good isms out there!
You use apostrohes when a quote is inside another quote.
Pedant :-P
I should’ve used the quote markdown, plus i just copy/pasted a transcript from Ferris Bueller’s day off, so I’ve sinned multiple times over.
Also I’m lazy
You can do better! I believe in you!
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Infighting happens when people of a group fight within it, so this is categorically not it, as tankies are right wing.
You get that tankies helped bring this about by encouraging Democrats not to vote right?
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I do not possess a dick but this post made me rock hard. Like, mentally. Gave me a raging brainer.
Gave me a raging brainer.
I am stealing this. This mine now.
I have to be honest. I remembered I’ve heard it before. I stole it from Futurama!
One if my least favorite episodes, too…
Wait! I mean!
My friend Jenn refers to this as “having a wide-on.”
Your friend Jenn sounds like fun!
She’s a hoot.
You shouldn’t… Now we have no one to lick the boots clean! 😭
The last time we had a post like this it was filled with a bunch of sealioning from tankies (authoritarian socialists). Be aware that we will be banning any such behavior.
common 196 W
on that thread most comments were downvoted lmao, i even got a comment in the negatives because i called them fascists (they are, doesnt matter if they like the USSR or not)
thanks for cleaning this comm up 👍
edit: someone literally downvoted every single comment in this thread lmao, the fascists are mad
Not sure why, but that happens in a lot of threads. Most threads I see all comments have at least one downvote lol
Naturally, red fascists are sensitive to being called out, since their natural habitat is the internet.
Seriously, how the fuck do we not consider them actual fascists? they support putin, xi and worst of all, bashaar al Kalb. They’re fascists that just want free housing and food.
PS: I’m a socialist myself, i’m not criticizing the left or the ideologies as a whole, just their Stalin circlejerk cult.
It’s such a weird thing. Stalinism is clearly facism. It almost seems like it’s impossible due to the facists fighting themselves
Welfare fascism: fascism with free houses
That’s their entire ideology pretty much.
While we got mass downvoted by them I’m glad I was able to have a sane conversation for once about socialism, without their BS. Its a nice change of pace
thank you for preserving this important history in our minds!
No Gods No Masters
Some people don’t understand that last part, unfortunately.
holy mother of based
And here the rest of us are trying to be as eloquent and articulate as possible, and yet you said it better than any of us ever could.
i call it as i see it
Well put lol
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0 posts, 81 comments. I don’t like these types of people.
Hey whats a tankie
Self proclaimed communists that claim to want power for the people but rally for an authoritarian dictator who holds all the power. Not much different from monarchists.
Usually a strong idolatry and religious type fixation of deifying individuals to remain in power.
Otherwise true, but I really wouldn’t compare tankies to monarchists, since AFAIK a lot of monarchists are only in favor of having a monarch as a figurehead and an elected government that holds the actual power.
In case you’re asking out of good faith curiosity:
Tankie is a pejorative (and rightfully so) term for a particular brand of communist/socialist. It’s worth noting that I have nothing against communists or communism in general (even though I don’t agree with it as a political system). A tankie is someone whose standpoint is that communism can do no wrong; anything that went wrong in USSR and China is CIA’s fault, and the Czechs, Hungarians, and Tibetans had it coming.
Oh, and to any tankies who are reading this and are tempted to engage in sealioning, don’t bother - I don’t care and probably won’t respond. Plus there’s a pretty good chance you’re already on my block list. Call me fascist if you will (I’vebeen called worse things), but at least tell me a definition of fascism that doesn’t also encompass todays China and Russia
Basically, it’s a label applied to people of a communist persuasion who have given up on any form of critical thinking, and just defaults to “America bad, therefore anything opposing it must be good”. Yes, America bad indeed. But that doesn’t automatically Pol Pot, Kim Young Un, and Stalin are good.
Also, don’t be surprised if this comment is downvoted to oblivion after someone links it on hexbear or lemmygrad. It’s quite telling that comments like this are usually attacked based on syntax rather than substance, while refusing to actually explain what happened at Tianmen Square or during the Holodomor, without citing russian or Chinese propaganda.
Also, the name is a reference to communist countries sending tanks against civilians, RE: Hungary 1956, Prague 1968, and Tianmen Square 1989
Just a friendly suggestion. Leninism isn’t communism. Don’t give them what they want by referring to them as communist. It gives actual communist/anarchist even more undeserved grief and misinformation to counter.
Leninism often referred to as ML is an authoritarian ideology. Which is a socialist in name only. They will gladly sacrifice actual socialism to protect the ruling Vanguard ala the tankies. Claiming their ideology is to facilitate building an economy that can then somehow transition to communism. They have no outline or mechanism for this to happen. In fact they would kill most anyone who tried. As those people would be a threat to the Vanguard.
Communism is a classless stateless society. A Society with a separate Vanguard party has classes. And authoritarian state is not stateless. Therefore they are not communist no matter how much they use the term. You are spot on with everything else though.
As a leftist pinko card-carrying Democratic Socialist of America, I can’t agree that Tankies are on this side of the fence. I think they’re all either brainwashed or trolling… Either way, they have no idea what they’re saying most of the time.
That being said, they’ve ruined the ability for some of us to give honest constructive criticism of the American left.
What does “pinko” mean in this context? (Or any context, for that matter… can’t recall having heard that term before)
TIL…
I shy away from defining myself on the left/right axis, as this depends a lot on where you are and what is defined as the center. But let’s just say I’d love to hang out with Bernie.
I’m certainly not a “Liberal.” They are not the same thing.
Libs in the USA are right-of-center. Examples in my mind are Pelosi or Schumer. The ones who kowtow to business interests and pay lip service to social injustices while doing nothing in their personal life or legislative maneuvering to support it.
And while I agree the bidirectional “left” or “right” thing isn’t ideal, and the Compass method is only slightly better, I am far better described as Leftist than I am anything else. I fall more inline with the Scandinavian countries’ left than that of the USA’s.
Isn’t it more than that though? A lot of the US intervention stuff can be true, but I thought the whole thing that made a tankie a tankie was the support of an authoritarian dictatorship and wanting that to be implemented?
Like I totally believe the US does and will try to destroy any communist country that arises, but I dont support the idea of a “dictatorship of the proletariat” so hopefully that doesn’t make me a tankie lol
True. I just tried to give a short primer. I am indeed part of (to an extent) the “America bad”-camp, but it doesn’t make me sverve so hard I crash into a ditch on the opposite side.
haha, love that picture!
Edit: Also I think hexbear and lemmygrad can’t downvote due to being defederated from blåhaj.
Ah, I wasn’t aware of said defederation. Good on Blåhaj
I love all the whackadoo shapes like stethoscope, horseshoe, and fishhook that people are forced to use to cling to the notion that political ideology is linear.
There are two legislative variables- societal and economic. That requires two axes for accurate plotting, and why it’s so difficult to fit an authoritarian socialist on a line that is primarily determining a socialized vs. conservative economy.
Realistically, even the political compass is a vast simplification of how real politics works. We usually visualise most mainstream democratic parties on the y=x line on the compass, but there are almost as many exceptions to that guideline as there are examples of it.
For example, left leaning parties overwhelmingly are more likely to support gun control or anti-hate-speech laws, although those are essentially authoritarian social policies. And conservatives support left-economic policies like restricting companies’ ability to moderate their content as they see fit. Or their support of the army, which is an enormous government-run organisation.
But still, yeah, having a 2d set of axes gives you a much better look at where parties sit in relation to each other than trying to visualise it on a single line.
I’ll just add one more detail that hasn’t already been said. Although they profess to be left-wing communists, tankies will defend countries like 21st century Russia in its invasion of Ukraine, despite Russia not even pretending to be communist, and in fact being the very worst that crony capitalism has to offer.
Tankies in reality, at least on Lemmy, seem to position themselves primarily as anti-America and anti anything America supports, rather than being for any specific policies associated with communism.
Tankie’s Prayer
That didn’t happen.
And if it did, it wasn’t that bad.
And if it was, that’s not a big deal.
And if it did, that wasn’t his fault.
And if it was, he didn’t mean it.
And if he did…
They deserved it.
So a narcissist?
Shit, I found this on a leftist community and It was called the narcissists prayer, so you’re actually right
So if youll join me down disinformation avenue, do you think these are largely real people? I only ask because every time i find myself turning back to corporate social media its because the high polarization of all topics by people like that on lemmy.
It seems like a good deterrent to the adoption of FOSS social media if someone were to employ ai to do so, but i can also believe that the first people to transition to FOSS would be highly radicalized people.
Lemmy’s main developers are avowed communists who run one of the tankie instances themselves. I prefer Occam’s razor here. They are what they say they are.
I’m an advocate for defederating all their instances. But it’s because they make the fediverse a worse experience for users and I believe in curated positive spaces (à la the Nazi bar thought experiment) over unfettered free speech. It’s not because I believe they’re a false flag operation or bots.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tankie (urban dictionary usually sucks but good definition here)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
tl;dr fascists in red
So they are people who want to violently or otherwise enforce their ideal view of some flavor of communism on the rest of the world? And they try to realize this by organizing and radicalizing people on social media?
So they are people who want to violently or otherwise enforce their ideal view of some flavor of communism on the rest of the world
Its more than that (supporting totalitarian genocidal dictatorships just because they oppose the west or are “communist”) but that is part of it too
And they try to realize this by organizing and radicalizing people on social media?
Apparently, yes lmao. They are the most twitter brained people alive. (i know ML parties exist irl, but i wouldn’t say they are all tankies)
They have the brain capacity of a child, unable to comprehend beyond “my side good, your side bad”
Even if they post before they leave?
Yea, if they tankies. Like facists they support authoritarianism. They are named so for their support of sending tanks against civilllians.
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