New evidence confirms COVID-19 vaccines are overwhelmingly safe::More than 38 million COVID-19 vaccine doses have been administered in Ontario as of Oct. 8, with 23,002 reports of adverse reactions, an incidence of 0.06 per cent, Public Health Ontario says
Also, old evidence confirms it.
I guess whatever it takes to convince the skeptics. Though I figure nothing will convince them once they’ve made up their mind.
Cannot use logic to convince someone whose argument isn’t logical in the first place
I’ve always preferred it phrased as “You can’t reason someone out of a position they didn’t reason themselves into,” but same energy.
I don’t like calling them “skeptics,” because what they really are is super-gullible with regards to conspiracy theories.
“Science deniers” is a better description.
Step 1. Ask what someone thinks about vaccinations Step 2. Ask them what they think about evolution Step 3. Ask about climate change Step 4. Ask about what church they go to
You will learn so much of this overlaps. So much.
Flat earth. Crystals. Cupping.
Anything to avoid the reality that we’re fucking up society and the planet in favour of ‘we can fix it with woo’ or ‘it’s preordained that we’re all gonna die in god’s wrath-fire’. Neither will lift a finger to fix things.
Nobody wants to live in reality because it’s scary.
The sound you’re hearing is goalposts being shuffled around.
Sometimes the goalposts are moved and merged with goalposts from other conspiracy theories.
When 5g wasn’t the end of humanity it became the trigger for a zombie virus…hidden in the vaccine!
Wonder what third thing will become the new first domino to knock over the 5g and vaccine dominoes.
Conspiracism is not truth-tracking. It’s rooted in an emotional response to feelings of lack of control. By saying false things and getting away with it, the conspiracist feels greater control over their life. “You can’t stop me from lying, therefore I have power.”
Hence why authoritarians love conspiracism: authoritarianism promises that if you repeat the doctrine and smash the Leader’s designated enemies (the “conspiracy”), you will regain the control that was taken from you. This also illustrates why “left” authoritarianism (e.g. Stalinism, Maoism) is really rightist: it does not actually offer freedom or equality, but rather rigid hierarchy and escalating falsehood and cruelty.
If you follow Nazism, Stalin, Hamas, Trump, or Netanyahu and smash the designated enemies who the Leader tells you have been conspiring against your nation … you do not get freedom, you just eventually become the next enemy to be smashed. Of course really your Leader has built up the enemy to threaten you: authoritarians never seek peace, because peace removes the need to fear and hate.
(None of this is new. Orwell and Sartre both described it in the 1940s.)
This kind of inappropriately equates conspiracy theories and conservatism but I assure you that the anti-GMO, 9/11 Truther, and even the original vaccine pushback were not from the right
There’s even crossover. The New Age/NESARA movement has a pipeline directly into Qanon, a movement at opposite views to NA stuff.
It’s almost like those people are happily waiting for this type of panopticonic apocalyptic event to happen just to be proven right the only time in their entire miserable lives
Fundy Christians and the rapture in a nutshell
It’s really loud! 😬
Guys the reason this study is important is because covid vaccines used revolutionary technology, they were the first to use mRNA based protein. If you remember we sequenced its genome within 40 days the making the vaccine was considerably easy. This is the main reason it took only 2 years for the vaccine to be made compared to years of development for other vaccines.
It also means that, with this new vaccine technology, we can develop vaccines faster and faster
Let’s start the turbo-vaccine-printing-machine!
Pretty sure that mRNA printers are indeed a thing. But, you’ll probably have better efficiency if you only use it for the template and use RNA-copying enzymes for the bulk of the work.
…erm, yes… I concur 🧐
I studied this stuff back in uni, is really fascinating, though, I’m more familiar with DNA amplification via Polymerase Chain Reaction (PCR).
If you’re interested, I’ll give some details here and a link to a neat video. Effectively, there is an enzyme in our cells called DNA Polymerase. It literally scans a strand of DNA and copies it. In PCR, they use a solution of nucleotides (building blocks of DNA) and the DNA Polymerase extracted from a heat-loving microbe. The DNA to be copied (amplified) is added, and then the temperature maintained at the enzyme’s optimal temperature (higher than usual for other organisms). The solution is allowed to “stew” for a set amount of time, then, filtered to separate the DNA (lots of copies of the original) from everything else.
A similar process can be done using an RNA polymerase (possibly modified) in order to amplify mRNA. So, once the template is printed, it gets put in the solution and RNA polymerases go brrrrrr.
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Very interesting dude, thanks for the write up and video!
You’re very welcome!
We always knew/suspected this. But the ones that do the fearmongering around vaccines will not be interested in facts…
Not just that, but a lot of them see it as resistance to authority, even if they don’t think there’s a serious risk. This is inevitably what happens when things get forced and mandates get imposed. It naturally causes people to push back against it.
No, this is what happens in a rigidly individualistic western countries like the USA, UK, and Australia where people act like children screaming “you can’t tell me what to do!”, even when it’s just the health department asking you to stay safe.
There were no forced vaccine mandates in the USA, so I don’t really know what you’re talking about when you say that this was inevitable. Right-wingers just pretended that there was a mandate so that they could do performative resistance, but you might have noticed, there was no government-imposed punishment for refusing, just the natural consequence of drowning in your own sputum in the ICU.
Various employers imposed mandates, so there were mandates.
When neo-fascists try to impose things, that naturally creates resentment. All the people calling for mandates are the reason the reason why there was resistance.
Do you also think laws requiring you to wear a seatbelt is “neo-fascist?”
Not if there are multiple people in the car. As soon as there’s another person in the car, it’s not victimless.
Vaccines work when everyone uses them. There are a small number of people who cannot be vaccinated due to medical reasons. They rely on others being vaccinated. So when a lot of people who can take the vaccine refuse to do so, they put these people in danger.
Funny that of all things that US employers demand and impose, it’s vaccinations where you draw the line.
“Fascism is when employers tell their employees what to do.”
r/AntiWork in a nutshell
You’ve got yourself very turned around: the only reason there were talk of mandates is because we knew that, without them, people wouldn’t get the vaccine. Fear of vaccines long predates any mandates. It basically started the minute the first vaccine was developed.
I’m not saying no one refused it because of talk of mandates, but the overall trend would be that without a strong incentive, some people would not get it, whether it just because of laziness, procrastination, or simply being on the fence about it.
Mandates increased the number of people who didn’t get it. There’s no reason for mandates.
Do you have anything to back this up or is it just how you feel?
Do you have anything to back this up
Narrator: They didn’t.
I wouldn’t normally be the guy to jump straight to the conclusion that you are a Russian propagandist, but look at that instance name. Not even subtle.
Yeah, so much of it is just contrarianism. These people think that if they blindly reject everything that comes from an official source that they are substantially different than the people who blindly accept everything that comes from an official source.
Not just different, but better.
Experts have lied repeatedly and trust in them is at an all time low. If it wasn’t for the talk of mandates, more people would have got the vaccine. Pushback is a natural consequence of trying to force things.
Experts have lied repeatedly
A completely vague statement - which is almost certainly untrue or a gross misrepresentation of reality - that basically justifies believing whatever you want. I’ve seen this plenty throughout my life, but it’s become especially popular since the start of the pandemic.
Projection. I lie repeatedly so everyone else must also lie repeatedly.
What a surprise! who could have seen this coming!
I can almost hear all the scientists groan.
Why would scientist groan at data confirming previous studies?
Because it’s obvious to them that it’s safe and yet, due to the idiots in the population, they still had to do a study to “prove” what they already knew.
Fact is, mRNA isn’t actually new. It’s been used as a treatment for some things for nearly two decades before COVID. The remarkable part of the COVID vaccine is the speed at which they were able to adapt the tech to the new threat and produce a viable non-sterilizing vaccine from it. That shouldn’t imply that research into a COVID vaccine has stopped, there may be a better vaccine that’s possible, and I’m sure someone is working on that and I thank them for their work. The fact is mRNA was proven to be safe more than a decade before COVID-19 was a thing.
The main issue that the public has with it is that mRNA as a treatment or vaccine is relatively unused. The diseases/disorders that have utilized mRNA for treatment aren’t the most common, and unless you were presented with mRNA treatment options if you’re in the small group of people with the diagnosis that has an mRNA treatment option, it would be entirely new; and that describes the vast majority of people.
The information about it is out there, but Facebook research says that this is “brand new experimental technology” that has unpredictable outcomes, creating FUD, which is entirely based on nothing, because it’s not unpredictable and it’s not experimental. It’s true that it hasn’t been used in this application yet (at the time), and that the COVID vaccine was the first to use the technology for that purpose, but it’s hardly new/untested/experimental in any way, shape, or form. The doctors and researchers who developed the vaccine did their due diligence, and ran test groups before releasing the vaccine to the widespread population. This was done on an accelerated timeline than what is typical, but it was still done. They followed procedure. The only thing that could be argued that was missing was a long term study to show any lasting effects over years, which they simply didn’t have time for; but all evidence from the existing use of mRNA for treatments indicates that’s also going to result in no significant issues as well.
They did everything right and some portion of the population screamed bloody murder about it, meanwhile the delivery method was tried and tested, and already proven to be safe, yet they had to do yet another study to affirm what they already knew. For anyone who is aware of what medical R&D is doing and what standards they are held to, the fact that it was safe wasn’t even in question, but because some Facebook “researchers” decided it wasn’t with no evidence, there had to be additional and unnecessary work done to “prove” something that was already known to be true.
Hence, groan.
Are Republicans still waiting for people who got the initial vaccine to drop dead overnight? lol.
As of my last count we’ve all died 7 or 8 times now, and if we didn’t, next time for sure!
We were supposed to all die in the emergency national text message test a few weeks ago
I got the vaccine hoping it would kill me! You win again, Republicans!
Genuinely impressive how a vaccine made under the conditions and time constraints COVID faced is so effective.
That’s because most of the groundwork in developing mrna vaccines had already been done for years and years. This wasn’t “how do we invent a vaccine for covid?”, this was “how do we adapt this proven, well-understood vaccine tech so that it works for covid just like it does for the ebola virus that we originally developed it for?”
There was also a large amount of money thrown at developing the vaccine because of the virus’ significant economic impacts.
it’s wild because it was a whole bunch of our money but somehow the vaccine developed with all of our money is still privately owned
Imagine if we had national bodies developing drugs to treat health problems rather than private companies developing drugs to make as much money as possible.
instead we have this amazing worst of both worlds where the public bears all the expense but one guy trying to make as much money as possible gets to make all the decisions and own the final product.
Thats the answer to the bit where they said “how do we adapt this proven, well understood vaccine tech…”
They’ve been developing it since the first SARS.
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Edit: I was wrong, they started developing MRNA vaccines in the 1970s.
Genuinely impressive how a vaccine made under the conditions and time constraints COVID faced is so effective.
Come ON! This doesn’t say the vaccine - which one? - is effective but would have low adverse effects.
Not astonished that you put people against this experimental product in the case of anti-vax despite them being vaccinated for other stuff.
I’ve been trying to read this comment for a while now.
Are you okay? Are you having a stroke? Should I call someone?
It’s not hard. He’s saying that this study makes no claims about effectiveness, but people are so programmed with the catchphrase “safe and effective” that they conflate the two.
great nickname
There was a 50/50 split in the US Senate when the vaccine came out. Every member of that group was vaccinated. They were the first members of the population to be vaccinated. If any of the ancient senators had died, the balance of power would have shifted in a huge way.
Now there’s a great premise for a sci-fi, like something Dick would write
Could we just say that all evidence confirms it?
I’m fully pro vaccine and I’m happy for these studies. Nothing wrong about getting more data and confirming or revisiting things based on said results.
Science is not afraid of being double checked.
Sweet
I just saw yet another Tim pool twitter thread with people talking about wanting assault vaccines be made illegal
As someone who used to watch him regularly, Tim Pool is an unironically evil person who will promote whatever you want for a paycheck. He has algorithmic psychosis. The Freedom Phone shilling is proof of this.
I didn’t need a study for that. I mean we vaccinated ones are still pretty much alive, despite all the warnings of the dum-dums.
Did you guys know that bridges help people cross rivers?
I’ve seen enough bridge failures to know that they’re all dangerous. You can’t fool me - I’d rather drive through a river than take one of your so-called “safe” bridges. At least in my truck I’m in control, and my F150 with these snazzy AT tires and my belief in God can get me further than some steel and concrete “bridge” that some engineer in a lab cooked up.
No way! :O
I thought they were just cool sculptures.
Whew!! That was a close one fellas. What if I knew that they were safe all along but I wanted to live on the edge?? (I got a vaccine shot 😔)
Where’s that guy that turned into a Newt?
