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Trump decolonising South Africa?
Ah, the white refugee grift never fails to amuse. Trump’s clown decree isn’t about “saving” anyone—it’s apartheid cosplay for fascist optics. Let’s resettle the platinum-tier colonizers who still think land theft is a flex. Meanwhile, actual refugees drown in red tape while these chucklefucks get VIP passes.
But hey, hypocrisy is the point. It’s a loyalty test: how blatantly can we rewrite oppression as victimhood before the bootlickers cheer? Spoiler: they’ll always cheer.
Elon’s drafting eviction notices for Black South Africans right now. History’s a flat circle, and the fascist playbook’s on loop.
The best part of this particular grift is that, unsurprisingly considering it’s rapidly swirling around the toilet bowl, white South Africans don’t want to resettle in the U.S.
Apparently whatever horrible, horrible cruelty they face in South Africa isn’t actually cruel enough to seek asylum in America.
It’s almost poetic, isn’t it? The self-proclaimed victims of “reverse oppression” can’t even muster the courage to follow through on their own grift. They’d rather cling to their crumbling privilege in South Africa than face the reality of being just another immigrant in a country that fetishizes “whiteness” but despises foreigners.
The irony is suffocating. They cry persecution, but the U.S. asylum system—designed to brutalize the desperate—doesn’t even register their plight as legitimate. Maybe because it’s not. Their “suffering” pales next to the systemic violence they’ve upheld for generations.
It’s not that they don’t want to leave; it’s that they know they’d lose their pedestal elsewhere. No apartheid nostalgia tour can fix that.
It’s not that they don’t want to leave; it’s that they know they’d lose their pedestal elsewhere.
I don’t have the personal experience with them that it sounds like you do, but I’m guessing if this offer were given by, say, New Zealand, at least some of them would take them up on it and do what Cubans in Miami do- pretend they’ve brought Cuba with them and still talk about how they’ll take Cuba back someday. Because New Zealand is not the shithole America is. It’s quite nice.
I’m sure you’re right overall, but I’m also sure “America is a massive shithole and getting worse by the day” is also a big factor here.
I’m South African and from where I’m standing, both New Zealand and Australia seem to be popular places to move to. I’m not going to claim that most white South Africans aren’t conservative bigots because I would be lying. But there are also a lot of good reasons to leave this place, I’m afraid.
My sister lives in NZ (for no reason other than she met her now husband who is a Kiwi while traveling overseas after school). And after being there for a visit, it’s hard to put into the words how it feels to experience a country where things are actually run well. And there’s no trash anywhere. And even the toilets are modern and efficient (something I noticed because there was a drought in South Africa at the time so I was watching flushes). And you can walk down the road with headphones on, listening to music on your phone without looking over your shoulder in case you get mugged (which I have been 3 times now).
Coming back to South Africa and driving down a road filled with trash and stray dogs, I could actually almost physically see and feel the black cloud coming over me again. And it hits me hard because having spent my childhood in the '90s when Mandela had been released and the ANC was taking over, I had huge hope back then. As a child, I bought into the hype hard. And one Jacob Zuma later, it’s all fucked.
But yeah, fuck these racist farmers. I’m gonna sound a bit heartless here but I went to boarding school in a conservative shithole one horse town. And wherever a farm murder occurred (which was twice or three times over the course of me being there I think), there was never a time where there weren’t whispers about how those farmers treated their workers like borderline sub humans. I’m not condoning murder but I think our society will be better off without the people who live like it’s still 1980 and apartheid.
I wouldn’t want them to go to the USA though because I like a lot of Americans and they’ve already got their own backwards hillbilly confederates to deal with. I don’t think it’s fair that they get more.
“Black cloud” wow.
Oh come on now. Surely you’ve heard that expression before. I’m actually tempted to just block you because you’re either a troll or just looking for a stick to beat the dog with and clearly not joining this conversation in any good faith.
You said it, not me. I’m not a troll . You make some good points, but if you’re white, and your family has been in SA for a few generations, you know why your family was there.
You’re not wrong about America being a massive shithole, but let’s not pretend New Zealand is some utopia for these folks either. They wouldn’t just “bring Cuba back someday”—they’d try to recreate their pedestal wherever they land, all while whining about how the locals don’t “appreciate” them.
This isn’t about geography; it’s about entitlement. Whether it’s Miami, Auckland, or Mars, they’ll cling to their apartheid nostalgia and demand the world accommodate it. The pedestal isn’t tied to a place—it’s tied to their worldview.
And sure, America’s spiraling, but that doesn’t excuse their refusal to face reality. They’re not victims of circumstance; they’re architects of their own irrelevance. Let them stay where they are and stew in it.
Err… what about the people in Haiti? Or everywhere else that’s significantly worse than the WHITE part of south africa?
DEI, of course.
Gee look at that a white South African plutocrat holds the reins and suddenly the architects of Apartheid are “refugees”
Amazing.
The US is losing whatever sliver of credibility it has left.
Hopefully the world understands it’s not the US, it’s Trump and his people.
I’m saying this as an American who stands firmly opposed to every horrific thing Trump and his fascist goons are doing. However, I can only imagine if I was a politician or business in another country, I’d feel like I’d no longer be able to trust anything the US does or says.
Correct. And that would be the government, not the population.
Did Trump elect himself?
Did you ever look at the election results?
I did, but we can look at them again:
It appears he did not elect himself. Unless he has over 77 million clones.
Yes. He won the majority. Your point is?
The plurality of people whose votes were counted*
The population elected Trump. TWICE. The second time with more votes and winning the popular vote.
Like it or not, Trump represents the USA in the minds of people around the world for at least a generation.
Trump won by a very slim percentage. And that was because most people didn’t bother voting. So no it was not the majority of people.
I bet I could lambast your country using your same logic. But you’re too afraid to say which one you’re from, because you know it’s true.
And that was because most people didn’t bother voting. So no it was not the majority of people.
Add the people who actively voted for Trump and those who couldn’t be bothered to vote against him and you do have the majority of the country who is to blame for the shitshow that is currently wrecking the country and shredding whatever international reputation your country had.
We know that about 30% voted against this shit (and we thank you for that effort), but thw reality is that you have a fight on your hands if you hope for the rest of the world to look favorably on your country again.
And, despite 50501 and a small number of outspoken Democrat senators (Bernie, AOC), we don’t see much fighting back yet.
Even if it’s a slim percentage win, you have to understand that as a European looking in, it is a wildly large number that voted for him. There are only a couple of countries in Europe (and actually only a couple on each continent) that have a population larger than that. For a lot of countries it’s 10x their population.
For most of us, that looks like an unfathomably massive percentage of idiocy.
because most people didn’t bother voting
You say this like it doesn’t reflect just as bad as those who did vote for him
If Trump got 20% of the republican primary vote, it would already be cause to mock the US.
He is an infamous dumbass. Deeply ignorant. Like, moron levels of understanding how the world works. Hurricane nuking levels of understanding. Plus immoral, having lost racsims lawsuits in previous century (so not politically motivated), cheating on his wives, cheating on his taxes. But so, so, dumb, and so easily manipulated. Plus he looks funny, but just a unimportant details that’s true for a surprising amount of right wing politicians (milei, Boris Johnson, etc).
He was the literal counter-example of who should be president. It’s hard to think of someone less suitable. Maybe Kanye West? Snooki?
Not only he did win the primary, but he won the general election. Twice. After such a disaster with covid. They haunted Clinton for years for 4 dead Americans that weren’t even her fault. Trump caused hundreds of thousands of preventable deaths, tanked the economy, did a bunch of crimes, tried to overthrow the government, announced he would be a dictator and people still voted for him. Mind-blowing.
Does your conviction also apply to other countries like China or Russia?
Yes, obviously
We understood that the first time. And then you went and you elected him again, post jan6th, post criminal convictions, post covid and post project 2025. (collective you, not you in particular).
Not this time, this time is on y’all.
What country are you from?
Take it from a fellow American. We fucked this up and it’s on all of us. We need to recognize that before we can come together and fix it.
Living in Germany at the moment, but the sentiment is shared by most Europeans.
As a German you should know better
I’m not German, and what should I know better? Numbers don’t lie.
What country are you from? Why are you afraid to answer that?
Edit. Ah nvm you’re too busy getting your comments deleted and banned from communities to answer.
I understand that (and am American myself) and still don’t think the US as a country should have any credibility. We simply can’t be trusted. The good people among us are not in control.
The US political system is simply poorly designed and political brinkmanship appears to always be a winning move. Before Trump McConnell was thoroughly destroying America’s reliability.
The founding fathers just could never anticipate a populace or a political party with nearly the degree of cynicism as we see. (Also the founding fathers likely did not intend for us to get stuck in a 250 year old rut, but rather to evolve the system, which has not happened as intended.)
It isn’t. It was done by all the Americans who voted for him as well as all the Americans who chose not to vote at all.
I do agree with that
Well one of them was elected by a plurality. I was saying this nine years ago, but I think it’s time to admit that yes, it is the US (if not me or those I closely associate with).
Illegal Africans? Send them back! Get the illegal Africans out of our country. Starting with FElon Musk!
What counts as a refugee in the Trump administration:
🙍🏿♂️nope
🙍🏾♂️nope
🙍🏽♂️nope
🙍🏼♂️yep
🙍🏻♂️yep, unless you’re Asian
Also doesn’t count if you’re an indigenous American.
Because Navajo aren’t especially dark-skinned most of the time, as you can see from the photo in this article.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/27/us/navajo-detained-ice-indigenous-immigration-trump/index.html
What the fuck did I just read?
I have a feeling people will be saying that a lot over the next four years.
People will still be alive in four years?
We might get lucky…
This is so disconnected from the Afrikaners that they have largely rejected it.
They want the land. That’s the point. It’s a multi-generational fight to hold the land.
It’s a lesson that should be learned about Gaza. It’s not about quality of life, it’s about the 3 most important points of any real estate deal: location, location, location.
They want the land and they don’t want expensive American healthcare for them or for their descendants.
I too make lots of typos when worked up.
You are making me very tempted to go through your entire post history and start pointing out typos, but I’ll just go with this one five posts from the top where you forgot to put a period at the end of a sentence.
I guess you were worked up at the time.
(You also forgot an apostrophe, but I was trying to be nice.)
Punctuation is cool but if I make the separation of sentences that clear then it is readable and I don’t feel the need to correct that
There is no need to be standoffish, I was not making fun of the user above
I was not making fun of the user above
That was obviously unclear to me and quite a few others. So maybe you should reflect on that. But something tells me you won’t.
It was not unclear to the poster, given their response.
When people tell you that you’re being rude, maybe believe them.
Hey we’re cool and all but
eat my ass, squid
More so that my phone barely speaks English and I was out dong other stuff and didn’t double check before hitting send.
Oh, far less relatable then.
For fascists, regular displays of hypocrisy are important, because that’s the guarantee that the bad things they obviously plan to do won’t be done to their supporters.
Phew. The white people are coming to take your land. Never saw that coming.
hopefully their boat sinks 🤞
Are we sending them out? I can think of at least one white south african we could do with expelling.
Maybe Egypt or Jordan will take them in?
Jogathon rule:
Leon should have to jog one mile for each refugee resettlement.
