Biden is not responsible for what Trump is doing. He is responsible for letting it happen. He failed to fight maga during the 4 years he had all the powers to do it.
To be accurate, it is not a fault, it is a failure. His responsibility is on this failure, not anything else.
I’m glad I’m not the only one that thinks this. Biden didn’t open the door for Trump, but he did stand aside. Bernie would have shredded Trump … but you know, apparently primaries are the devil.
Damn… I’m going to keep “not a fault, it’s a failure” in my back pocket. I’ve never heard it put that way when discussing a screw up that wasn’t really someone’s fault (in this case Biden, but could be Dems or even situations not politics related)
I feel being critical without blaming unfairly is a huge part of my personality, and so this type of convo actually comes up kinda frequently in my life, since so many people struggle to see gray areas between right and wrong, at fault and not at fault.
But what you said is a perfect way to better ensure that the meaning doesn’t get lost to blaming, after which the conversation is usually a lost cause.
the powers trump is using now is not actual presidential powers and I would not see it used by their guys or ours. congress is the one who could have stopped this. mainly back when trump was in office and going through with the impeachment.
Is Biden also to blame for Trump’s first 4 years? It’s the people’s fault! It’s your damn fault too!
The world is still waiting for riots and precautions of election manipulation etc. But nothing comes from you. Just peaceful protests while trump pisses in your faces.
No hut the DNC definitely is for sabotaging sanders and his supporters to ensure the neo liberal class dictatorship could continue and prevent any platform movement to the left that might vaguely resemble a new FDR presidency
And you are sabotaging yourself by letting a whole different party create a set of bigger problems because you’re focused on things that don’t matter right now.
Neo liberals are sabotaging themselves and everyone else by blaming voters for not getting behind tepid astro turfed right leaning centrist corporatism.
You all need to wake up and realize our presidential elections are likely just as compromised by money as the rest of our political system. There are 14 traits of fascism and both parties blatantly exhibit 13 of those traits with fraudulent elections being the only trait they can claim the corruption of is plausible deniable. All you thinking that the ideals of democracy haven’t been corrupted to the same point everything else has because of hurrrr durrrr democracy and “murican eyedeeeuhhhlissum” are living in an idealistic delusion. The system has proven it will not be remedied through its own mechanisms and that those with power have subverted those very mechanisms to prevent any meaningful change which means the only way forward is revolution.
Neo liberal western democracy vehemently opposes economic democracy and any movement to the left. This makes it completely undemocratic and an ultimate defacto class dictatorship. But cleverly disguised pr masquerading as unbiased journalism owned by wall street military and prison industry profiteering billionaires have convinced you the house isn’t actively burning when it obviously is.
I’m not a US citizen, so no, I’m not to blame. And if you ask me I’m happy for the downfall of the USA. But I’m sad for the victims that will happen because of fascism. And I’m sad that liberals would still rather blame leftists than admit their own failures.
Then determine from another democratic country what might undergo a change. But to rejoice that states are breaking up, which automatically means agony and suffering, is inhumane to the maximum. I don’t like some countries either, but I would rather see them change through a change of government instead of them falling apart and the population suffering endlessly.
I don’t want to say that you wish people suffering… I am of course assuming that you mean the respective politics, only the population is the country and the politicians are only the representatives of the people.
Your country and its people have been inhumane for 80 years. You have no lesson to give to anyone. And you have only you to blame for your current misery.
Don’t worry, the US will share some its misery with the world in the form of global warming and wars.
Am I blaming someone else for this? No.
Are we not allowed to draw lessons from the past?
Were there no resistance movements during that time?
I do not deny the history of my country and that is precisely why I would prefer peaceful solutions instead of future suffering. I’m just wondering why you seem to feel attacked and now think you can use the history of my country to put me down while I didn’t even want anything negative for you. Having said that, every country has its own dark history too please.
But I’d still hold the trial for the person who committed the crime itself before charging the police officer. But there’s also a third party here, which is the people. The people said, while the policeman was supposedly idly watching, that “yes, this criminal can [be president and] do whatever he wants”. 😐
See how long you last as police chief if you choose to not suppress crime.
So yeah, police are explicitly responsible for minimising crime, that’s literally their job.
I admit there’s some nuance there since police aren’t expected to actually prevent all crime. In this metaphor I guess the question is whether Trump is a bog standard criminal that maybe gets around the police but is kept mostly in check, or if he’s a special level of super-criminal that police chief Biden should have his career judged against.
The thing is, the people chose to have crime. They were presented with a criminal, and chose him. And I’m not even following the metaphor anymore either; he’s literally a criminal. The police can’t fight crime if the majority of people want crime.
There is something there, but I don’t know about Biden being the main focus. It feels like a little mini civil war where after the US Civil War for a very brief moment we had African American politicians, leaders, businesses, and equality seemed at least possible. Then you have the KKK and white supremacy pop up and it’s all gone. We had a brief run with what felt like some equality or equitable society, and then a big white supremacist movement came up and they are moving hell and earth to drag us back to the 1770s
Biden is not responsible for what Trump is doing. He is responsible for letting it happen. He failed to fight maga during the 4 years he had all the powers to do it.
To be accurate, it is not a fault, it is a failure. His responsibility is on this failure, not anything else.
I’m glad I’m not the only one that thinks this. Biden didn’t open the door for Trump, but he did stand aside. Bernie would have shredded Trump … but you know, apparently primaries are the devil.
Damn… I’m going to keep “not a fault, it’s a failure” in my back pocket. I’ve never heard it put that way when discussing a screw up that wasn’t really someone’s fault (in this case Biden, but could be Dems or even situations not politics related)
I feel being critical without blaming unfairly is a huge part of my personality, and so this type of convo actually comes up kinda frequently in my life, since so many people struggle to see gray areas between right and wrong, at fault and not at fault.
But what you said is a perfect way to better ensure that the meaning doesn’t get lost to blaming, after which the conversation is usually a lost cause.
the powers trump is using now is not actual presidential powers and I would not see it used by their guys or ours. congress is the one who could have stopped this. mainly back when trump was in office and going through with the impeachment.
Is Biden also to blame for Trump’s first 4 years? It’s the people’s fault! It’s your damn fault too! The world is still waiting for riots and precautions of election manipulation etc. But nothing comes from you. Just peaceful protests while trump pisses in your faces.
No hut the DNC definitely is for sabotaging sanders and his supporters to ensure the neo liberal class dictatorship could continue and prevent any platform movement to the left that might vaguely resemble a new FDR presidency
And you are sabotaging yourself by letting a whole different party create a set of bigger problems because you’re focused on things that don’t matter right now.
Neo liberals are sabotaging themselves and everyone else by blaming voters for not getting behind tepid astro turfed right leaning centrist corporatism.
You all need to wake up and realize our presidential elections are likely just as compromised by money as the rest of our political system. There are 14 traits of fascism and both parties blatantly exhibit 13 of those traits with fraudulent elections being the only trait they can claim the corruption of is plausible deniable. All you thinking that the ideals of democracy haven’t been corrupted to the same point everything else has because of hurrrr durrrr democracy and “murican eyedeeeuhhhlissum” are living in an idealistic delusion. The system has proven it will not be remedied through its own mechanisms and that those with power have subverted those very mechanisms to prevent any meaningful change which means the only way forward is revolution.
Neo liberal western democracy vehemently opposes economic democracy and any movement to the left. This makes it completely undemocratic and an ultimate defacto class dictatorship. But cleverly disguised pr masquerading as unbiased journalism owned by wall street military and prison industry profiteering billionaires have convinced you the house isn’t actively burning when it obviously is.
I’m not a US citizen, so no, I’m not to blame. And if you ask me I’m happy for the downfall of the USA. But I’m sad for the victims that will happen because of fascism. And I’m sad that liberals would still rather blame leftists than admit their own failures.
Then determine from another democratic country what might undergo a change. But to rejoice that states are breaking up, which automatically means agony and suffering, is inhumane to the maximum. I don’t like some countries either, but I would rather see them change through a change of government instead of them falling apart and the population suffering endlessly.
I don’t want to say that you wish people suffering… I am of course assuming that you mean the respective politics, only the population is the country and the politicians are only the representatives of the people.
Your country and its people have been inhumane for 80 years. You have no lesson to give to anyone. And you have only you to blame for your current misery.
Don’t worry, the US will share some its misery with the world in the form of global warming and wars.
Am I blaming someone else for this? No. Are we not allowed to draw lessons from the past? Were there no resistance movements during that time? I do not deny the history of my country and that is precisely why I would prefer peaceful solutions instead of future suffering. I’m just wondering why you seem to feel attacked and now think you can use the history of my country to put me down while I didn’t even want anything negative for you. Having said that, every country has its own dark history too please.
Are police also “responsible” for “letting crime happen”? I don’t understand the reasoning here.
How would you consider a policeman watching a crime happen and do absolutely nothing about it?
Very bad, very very bad.
But I’d still hold the trial for the person who committed the crime itself before charging the police officer. But there’s also a third party here, which is the people. The people said, while the policeman was supposedly idly watching, that “yes, this criminal can [be president and] do whatever he wants”. 😐
No one is holding a trial here. The metaphor cannot be milked forever. 8t was a bad metaphor to begin with. So stop with it.
Great retort… Real thread killer there, bud.
You asked me a question regarding the metaphor but this is your reply when I give you the answer. Sorry you can’t keep up. 🤷♂️
See how long you last as police chief if you choose to not suppress crime.
So yeah, police are explicitly responsible for minimising crime, that’s literally their job.
I admit there’s some nuance there since police aren’t expected to actually prevent all crime. In this metaphor I guess the question is whether Trump is a bog standard criminal that maybe gets around the police but is kept mostly in check, or if he’s a special level of super-criminal that police chief Biden should have his career judged against.
The thing is, the people chose to have crime. They were presented with a criminal, and chose him. And I’m not even following the metaphor anymore either; he’s literally a criminal. The police can’t fight crime if the majority of people want crime.
True, I guess we need a Batman to handle this Joker, the “police” have been overwhelmed
😄 Exactly
There is something there, but I don’t know about Biden being the main focus. It feels like a little mini civil war where after the US Civil War for a very brief moment we had African American politicians, leaders, businesses, and equality seemed at least possible. Then you have the KKK and white supremacy pop up and it’s all gone. We had a brief run with what felt like some equality or equitable society, and then a big white supremacist movement came up and they are moving hell and earth to drag us back to the 1770s
“n’y thing”? What the fuck?