- cross-posted to:
- politics@lemmy.world
- cross-posted to:
- politics@lemmy.world
Summary
Since Donald Trump’s return to office, ICE and DEA agents have intensified immigration enforcement, conducting door-to-door sweeps in Colorado.
Initially targeting suspected criminals, recent operations now question all residents, regardless of warrants. A Denver apartment complex saw widespread searches, sparking protests and fear among undocumented families.
Activists and attorneys are mobilizing to inform residents of their rights. Schools report growing student anxiety.
Trump’s border czar, Tom Homan, confirmed a broad crackdown, declaring, “If you’re in the country illegally, you’re on the table.”
Doesn’t hurt to know your legal rights, but we’re also in “put people in a concentration camp” territory now, so they will likely be ignored.
The thing is you have to force them to do it illegally, brutally, while people can see it. If you give in, if you agree to things, it’s too easy for them.
Yes, many people who stand up to them will die. It’s already been allowed to get to that point. Yet if you sit back and give in, it happens so much more quickly, and much more brutally.
This is especially true if you’re white, or at least not openly a minority. If you’re a middle aged white male, make them go through you. It’s dangerous, you might not make it, so make sure you’re ready. White men standing up to them, constantly, is cognitive dissonance to them. They’ll expect you to always be on your side, and when everyone isn’t, they stumble.
If people constantly resist them at every angle they will fail. We will lose good people doing it, and we have to.
So we went from “pelase vote in November” to “some of you may die, but that’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make”? Holy dystopian nightmare, batman.
When people didn’t vote against Fascists? Yes.
And it’s not about what people being ‘willing’ to watch others die, it’s about people standing up and being willing to die for their less powerful neighbours. I’m middle aged, male (AMAB, anyway) and white. I’ll stand between any cops, military, whatever and my fellow citizens. My grandmother (moms side) was in the Dutch resistance and was caught helping people escape the Nazi’s and spend 1941-1945 in a camp; she never fully recovered and converted to Atheism from Catholicism on her death bed, stating ‘no just God would allow what I have seen and lived through.’ My grandfather (dads side) served in the Canadian army from 1939 to 1945, and went to every country we fought in. He never slept in the same bed as my grandmother because he had screaming, wake-up-fighting nightmares from what he saw. He drove a motorcycle, delivering orders, moving supplies, etc. He was driving in a ditch beside a convoy just before dawn, for hours, and the ditch was so bumpy he had to keep slowing down because the motorcycle kept slipping. When the light broke, they were finally able to see, and he realised he was driving over the bodies of women and children from nearby villages. The ‘slipping’ was because the bodies were decaying and the motorcycle couldn’t grip, and he and his partner in the side-car took turns holding the handle bars while the other vomited over the side. They couldn’t turn around because beside the ditch was a cliff, and the convoy was bumper to bumper; they drove for six hours, at maybe 5 km/h, sobbing and vomiting. He never told me the story, he refused to talk about the war with me or my brothers, but in a drunken stupor my father told us my grandfathers war stories.
We pretend it’s somehow going to be different this time, like this time fascists can be appeased, this time they won’t invade other countries, or take away all of your rights. 30,000 people are already in camps. We all know what is coming next. You can stand aside like the German people did, watch and wring your hands, tell yourselves lies about the ‘clean Wehrmacht,’ yet everyone knows what’s happening. If we don’t stand up to them, we encourage it to happen.
It’s not if they can be appeased or not, it’s that half the country wants them in power. You are talking about a civil war.
It’s already started. They’ve already started the war, but right now it’s just civil war between the MAGAts and immigrants. Very quickly it’s going to expand to to others. They’ve already removed women’s bodily autonomy, they’ve been attacking transgender people for months, and they just created their religious task force to ‘defend’ Christianity. Expect attacks on those groups to ramp up in the coming weeks.
It’s not half that want them, it’s like 20%. 80% are allowing them to do these things.
Sure, civil war, civil disobedience, call it whatever you want. They’re putting children in camps, at what point do ‘you’ (the people of the US) stand up to it? Do they need to create death camps with ovens before you all react, or are you going to ‘aww geez’ at not wanting to stand up to them? The nazi’s made it illegal to save children from being tortured to death, at what point do you say ‘law’ be damned, I won’t watch this happen?
I don’t know. They already (famously) put children in cages last time around, AND-PEOPLE-STILL-VOTED-FOR-HIM.
About percentages, 77M+ people voted R, and IIRC there were 160M registered voters, so close to half of voters voted for him, much more than 20%.
Apologies, I mentally did percentage of population, not percentage of adults/voters. The Fascists got 29% of voting-aged adults. I will say there is still a massive percentage of the population just watching this happen–voting against it is not enough. in Nazi Germany, saving children from torture was illegal. People are still talking about this like there’s some sort of holiness to the legal system: there isn’t. It’s not a justice system, it’s a highly corruptible legal system. Enough people can rise up and easily stop this, they’re just too scared to do it, because man, one thing I’ve learned since 2016 is just how terrified the average American is most of the time. Then actual things to be afraid of arrive, and they freeze up.
I think the 29% is if you include all adults, but many are not elegible (immigrants, felons, etc) and might have voted R if they could.
Call me pessimistic, but I think there’s enough people to rise up.
A quarter of the country wants them in power.
Another (almost) half didn’t give enough fucks to even notice.
How do you come to one quarter? They got almost half of registered voters, even if you count elegible but unregistered it would be one third. Plenty of kids, felons, etc who can’t vote and might or might not support the shitshow.
They got half of the people who cast a ballot.
But almost half of the eligible voters didn’t vote at all
Was it that bad? The only figure I know is 160M registered voters, and 150M people voted.
There is a gulf of difference between “they will not respect your rights” and “you should give in.”