• Kusimulkku@lemm.ee
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    20 hours ago

    It does bother me if people are hired because of the colour of their skin or because of their gender and not because they were the best candidate. This is why “blind” hiring is a good idea in the situations where it can be implemented.

    • TheBeesKnees@lemmy.sdf.org
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      9 hours ago

      Look, everyone agrees the best candidate should be the one that’s hired.

      Unfortunately, there’s no objective truth in how to rank candidates - minus anything obvious. Humans make the choices and humans are prone to bias. Consciously or not, people are going to favor candidates that meet the expected stereotypes for said positions.

      There are plenty of studies out there documenting it. For example, resume response rates can vary drastically based solely on the name of the applicant. (The same resume sent to various companies with changes to the applicant’s name. Masculine names, feminine names, “white” names, “black” names, etc).

      It does bother me if people are hired because of the colour of their skin or because of their gender and not because they were the best candidate.

      Statements like these are easy to cling onto and rally a false narrative. They’re something ““everyone”” should agree on at a first glance. They miss the underlying issues and the driving force behind various movements.

      • withabeard@lemmy.world
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        1 hour ago

        minus anything obvious

        Honestly, not even that.

        I’ve been on a hiring panel (for want of a better term) where we interviewed on the ground floor. We all worked up in the building. Post-interview we wouldn’t say anything, we’d just write “yes” or “no” on a piece of paper. In the elevator going back up we’d turn our cards around. It gave a simple litmus test, if we all agreed then we can go to the pub. If we disagree then we find a meeting room and discuss.

        To my point. One hire, technically brilliant. They were technically, absolutely the best candidate we’d had for that role. It was clear. We got into the elevator, and all turned around “no”. The candidate was an absolute arse of a person. Clearly the best person for the job. Clearly the last person I wanted to spend 8 hours a day sitting next to. They knew they were fucking good, and they spoke like it.

        I wouldn’t be surprised if that person, knowing they were good, still goes home and rants about DEI hires or similar. But entirely misses the point on why they were not hired for that role.

      • Kusimulkku@lemm.ee
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        8 hours ago

        That’s why I was suggesting blind recruitment where possible. Name, gender, all that sort of things are hidden so they won’t affect that part of the recruitment process.

        Statements like these are easy to cling onto and rally a false narrative. They’re something ““everyone”” should agree on at a first glance. They miss the underlying issues and the driving force behind various movements.

        Everyone should agree with them but not everyone does.

    • Wogi@lemmy.world
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      19 hours ago

      Except that’s not what’s happening. Or rather, that’s not what DEI was doing.

      DEI programs are just making underrepresented people more visible. No one’s being hired because they look different.

      And for centuries white men have been getting jobs that more qualified people were passed for, because they were white and male. DEI was just to level the playing field.

      • Kusimulkku@lemm.ee
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        19 hours ago

        What does making more visible mean? I’d personally rather try to make things like race, sex and whatnot less visible so they’d have less effect on the hiring process.