I’d like to move off from the shackles of the Google menace and transferring my Gmail related accounts over including steam but I’d like some solid advice of any well regarded and better alternatives (including open source if that is possible)

I did search but was unsure of what was best as I did hear some shoddy things about Proton.

Do you know anything that could be the “aegis 2fa” of email providers?

Thank you and have a good day/night.

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    I would say Tuta or Runbox or Posteo, but the truth is that any paid account that is not Google or Microsoft is way better than anything so as not to be profiled too much with their trackers and privacy-invasive practices.

    On the technical side, no email is ever safe from being read either by the sending server or the receiving one. Email hasn’t changed for the past 50 years.

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      no email is ever safe from being read either by the sending server or the receiving one

      Which is why you should learn to set up PGP

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        Which is why you you and your recipient (which makes it a lot more difficult) should learn to set up PGP

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          So it sounds like, we need a push for someone to set up a system that makes that easier to do; like Let’s Encrypt! did for SSL certs.

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            Indeed. That’s kind of what Tuta, Proton and others are trying to do alas without worrying much about being compatible with one another.

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      The contents can be read, sure, but unless ChatGPT is doing a lot of hallucinating at least a few providers support e2e encryption and don’t manage the private keys.

      Edit: To avoid reading the whole thread, providers may support E2EE but can’t guarantee it in all cases. A guarantee requires the clients on each end to manage the encryption and decryption so no plaintext enters the network.

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        a few providers support e2e encryption

        There is no such thing with the email protocol, and most providers don’t have that kind of hack.

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            Messages you send to other Proton Mail accounts

            That’s a small but important detail. If you have public keys from people at other providers, AND you trust their security (JS thing I guess), then fine. But 99.99% of the world do not have that and don’t know what it means.

            If you want full trust, use Thunderbird and GnuPG. Proton is a nice package but you don’t control it, so no trust IMHO.