almost as if it’s never been about security but about sinophobia
Lol
I respect the Chinese people, their modern advancements in science and technology, their industry, their customs, and their rich history and culture.
I do not respect a hostile dictatorship that rules over them all, and if they were smart they would not, either.
I respect the American people, their modern advancements in science and technology, their industry, their customs, and their rich history and culture.
I do not respect a hostile dictatorship of corporate overlords that rules over them all, and if they were smart they would not, either.
Sure, fair stance, but also pure whataboutism.
“Whataboutism” is a term used to feel righteous while completely ignoring your bias.
Admitting both contries are bad and then taking a clear stance between them is hypocritical at best.
“Whataboutism” is when you dismiss any bad of any one thing because there are other examples of bad things. In fact, you trying to deflect your bias as my bias is actually also whataboutism.
If you don’t have any logical excuse for the bad thing, then you should stop standing up for the bad thing.
Sure, but here it’s pretty much about the trade war between the two.
Neither side is just, and so seeing it as “China bad” is not a neutral outlook.
In the US-centric environment, standing up for neutrality is easy to confuse with standing up for China.
I wouldnt want to take a neutral stance here, if the USA is a 53 then China is a 87 on the badometer.
I was kinda making a similar argument because of “if they were smart”. They are smart. Americans are smart too. But being smart doesn’t trivialize the very complicated problems with overthrowing a dictatorship/oligarchy, because neither government is currently democratic in practice — so voting will not work.
How do we stop the oligarchy ruling the USA without them ruining your life for going first?
Vote in 60 dem senators and they’ll overturn Citizens United, limiting political donations, and they’ll tax the rich.
Not really.
Dems are primarily sponsored by the rich and have to align with their interests. Out of two major US political parties, neither one is the party of the people.
HR 1 For The People Act - written by dems, passed by dems twice, blocked by Republicans.
Before that the dems wrote the campaign finance laws in 1995 and 2002 which were the core of the Citizens United Lawsuit in 2007 where SCOTUS voted with a partisan split to allow any sized contribution, even Hillary Clinton was a supporter of undoing Citizens United.
Even if the DNC isn’t your ideal peoples party, they are the party who can give you the option. Vote Dem.
Here’s a list of websites China bans:
- YouTube
- Yahoo
- Wikipedia
- Marxists Internet Archive
- Fandom
- Netflix
- Zoom
- Blogspot
- Bing
- Twitch
- Roblox
- Steam Store
- Steam Community
- Spotify
- Messenger
- X
- Skype
- Tumblr
- SoundCloud
- Signal Private Messenger
- Dropbox
- Pornhub
- XVideos
- Medium
- Dailymotion
- BBC
- The New York Times
- Vimeo
- The Guardian
- SlideShare
- Discord
- DeviantArt
- The Washington Post
- Nico Video
- Archive.org (Internet Archive)
- Bloomberg
- Flickr
- Wretch
- HuffPost
- The Wall Street Journal
- DuckDuckGo
- Scratch
- Reuters
- NBC News -TIME
- Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC)
- Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC)
- Bandcamp
- Technorati
- Archive of Our Own
- Viber
- South China Morning Post
- Plurk
- The Economist
- ABC
- Voice of America
- Radio Free Asia
- NBC
- PBworks
- The Epoch Times
- The Epoch Times (Chinese edition)
- HBO
- WION
- Hong Kong Free Press
- Apple Daily
- TikTok
- ChatGPT
- Rockstar Games
- GitHub
- Hugging Face
- Flipkart
- Zomato
- Clubhouse
- Swiggy
- Truth Social
- National Weather Service
- Kanzhongguo (English)
- Kanzhongguo (Chinese)
- Microsoft Copilot
- Telegram
- Voice of America (Chinese)
- Teacher Li Is Not Your Teacher (by a famous anti-CCP Twitter poster)
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I came into this thread just to downvote their lies.
Yeah didn’t even get to number 7 on the list before hitting a Marxist resource. Uh oh…
Fair point, but that means the ban should be coming from Department of Commerce, not the DoD.
Don’t try to come up with bullshit excuses about espionage.
“We’re banning these private-business Chinese websites because China bans our private-business websites and that’s anti-competitive”.
Low effort post
I can’t be the only who thought the list would be longer am I?
Basically any site that they don’t have full control over/can’t buy favor from and has the ability to spread info they dislike, even if it’s something as simple as 2+2=4".
And if you’re looking for someone outside of China to blame for their internet shield, Cisco was responsible for helping them set it up.
And then Huawei allegedly stole Cisco’s IP? Ah, the irony
I know this is not a complete list, but what about instances Lemmy? Would be very interesting to have conversations with Chinese behind the great Firewall!
The list is not entirely correct.
From china
Change it on wikipedia!
Ironically…
Fuck, I’m saving this f9r future arguments. Love it!
National weather service???
(tin foil hat)
The government… They control the weather information… Satellites… Weather machines… Snorts cocaine we can’t trust them we need to trust our eyes…
I’m sorry but you know too much. Come with me.
We should have done the same
Yeah let’s follow China’s lead and become just like them! I support restricting political freedoms and a giant firewall and a social credit system too.
They are obviously the superior system and therefore we need to emulate them.
Hard disagree, censorship is not welcome in a free society. I dislike a number of those sites and haven’t heard of most of the rest, but I wouldn’t ban a single one.
Good luck dealing with the current far-right inthe government in the US and soon in the EU countries though
Censoring the far-right doesn’t make it go away. It just pushes it underground where it becomes even more radical outside of the moderating influence of the mainstream.
The solution is not censorship, but to understand what is causing the rise in right wing radicalism and address the root cause.
That root cause is the total loss of faith institutions coupled with economic insecurity felt by the working class. When people are scared and angry, they will turn to those who give them simple solutions and an easy scapegoat. It’s a tale as old as time.
You can try and censor all you want, it won’t ultimately make a difference.
True, the far right has lost of lot of ground since musk took over twitter. Hanging Nazis was really a mistake post war. Giving them parlement seats is the best way to take power from them.
(Yes, this is how stupid you sound)
True, the far right has lost of lot of ground since musk took over twitter
we aren’t talking about some social media platform. we’re talking about a nation state censoring speech. these are two radically different things.
having said that, even on social media platforms with modern machine learning algorithms you can’t effectively censor. Look at how the far-right uses memes and secret symbols to communicate even through algorithms. for example the pepe the frog memes, the 88, the hand symbols, etc.
you can’t say “rape” on youtube or tiktok so people just use “grape” instead. the Chinese do similar things on their internet. censorship is always going to be a losing battle.
Hanging Nazis was really a mistake post war
executing people who committed war crimes and genocide versus a country censoring speech. again… two radically different things.
Giving them parlement [sic] seats is the best way to take power from them.
explain the connection between “giving” seats to Nazis (last I checked we had elections) in the current discussion about a country censoring speech.
(Yes, this is how stupid you sound)
you are free to spend your time on the internet saying anything you like. if making these weak appeal to ridicule comments makes you feel stronger, I support you
Censoring the far-right doesn’t make it go away. It just pushes it underground where it becomes even more radical outside of the moderating influence of the mainstream.
I beg to differ. The situation was MUCH better in this regard in Western Europe 15-20 years ago when being openly far-right would get you socially ostracized for the most part, and media didn’t routinely bring far-right mouthpieces on national TV.
That root cause is the total loss of faith institutions coupled with economic insecurity felt by the working class
I do agree with that though, that’s why I’m a commie who wants economic security for everyone (i.e. guaranteed employment and housing) and strong and trustworthy institutions (such as powerful, free and public healthcare and education and pensions, and the end of austerity)
I beg to differ. The situation was MUCH better in this regard in Western Europe 15-20 years ago when being openly far-right would get you socially ostracized for the most part, and media didn’t routinely bring far-right mouthpieces on national TV.
the question we need to ask is why was being right-wing socially unacceptable back then?
why is it OK for a politician like Trump to say “immigrants are poisoning the blood of our country” today whereas just 20 years ago that would immediately end a political career?
it’s not because we had more censorship.
the why is what we need to address. without economic security and legitimate institutions, we are lost.
censorship is not the solution and in fact it’s actively harmful. any mechanisms we create for a government to start censoring will inevitably be taken over by fascists when they come to power. and I think we only got a few years left at best
Keep it a note that having them listed as a Chinese military company could let US put pressure against open source groups to not collaborate with them; very similar to how US forced Linux Foundation to kick off decade old russian collaborators.
Cry more and maybe the west will care (we won’t, but still… try)
do you really think I give a shit about tencent? I just wanted to point out that this could have negative consequences for open source projects. Projects sponsored by them could lose a funding source, or any help work done by them could cease because of this.
do you really think I give a shit about tencent?
Yes, but I don’t understand why.
I just wanted to point out that this could have negative consequences for open source projects.
Something tells me the private billion dollar tech conglomerate doesn’t host a lot of “open source” projects.
Projects sponsored by them could lose a funding source, or any help work done by them could cease because of this.
That’s true, what sort of wholesome projects would lose funding? I would love to see that they sponsor the world’s largest food bank or help casualties of war get adequate medical treatment or fit for prosthetics (there isn’t a lot of money to be made in philanthropy in case you weren’t aware, i have 0 faith in tencent being benevolent in any way).
That’s a bad mischaracterization. You cannot force someone to do something voluntarily . Torvald spoke in support of it. I’m sure many governments and groups using the Linux kernel and open source want Developers that are vetted. Or can be reasonably sure won’t be forced to act maliciously under duress.
It is not a mischaracterization though. Open source projects can be forced to stop accepting contributions from employees of sanctioned companies, which would include Tencent employees if sanctioned. Anyways, Tencent is not being sanctioned here, so I guess it doesn’t really matter.
Also, Linus was definitely forced to kick the Russian maintainers out by USA sanctions.
Force implies force. If you have evidence that it was actually done by force. Against Torvald’s etc will. Please share it. Otherwise get out of here with your gasslighting.
Any project open source or otherwise can and does restrict contribution.
Saying that I’m gaslighting without even bothering to check the facts is a very interesting approach. USA sanctions on Russia regarding software and IT services went into effect on September, and all parties had 90 days to comply or be sanctioned as well. If he really did it only because he wanted to, why not do it as soon as the Russian invasion started? Why not do it as soon as the sanctions were announced (June)? Not kicking all employees from sanctioned companies means the Linux Foundation is sanctioned as well.
Okay, and? Torvald and many others aren’t American, not subject to it, and publicly stated that they weren’t forced to do it.
You’re claiming, hyperbolically might I add, that you know whats going on with Torvald and the foundation better than those people themselves. And still showing no actual proof or causation. How can anyone conclude anything other than you are gaslighting and being misleading? It’s Mega level bullshit conspiracy theories.
Torvald and many others aren’t American, not subject to it, and publicly stated that they weren’t forced to do it.
This is my last response to you because you just keep saying things that are false while calling me the liar. Linus is an American citizen, and even if he wasn’t, the Linux Foundation is an American organisation.
You’re claiming, hyperbolically might I add, that you know whats going on with Torvald and the foundation better than those people themselves. And still showing no actual proof or causation. How can anyone conclude anything other than you are gaslighting and being misleading? It’s Mega level bullshit conspiracy theories.
Literally linked the USA sanctions that apply to this case, but ok.
This is my last response to you
Don’t threaten me with a good time.
Link whatever you want. But prove your point. You keep saying correlation equals causation. But they’re two different words with two different meanings. Correlation does not imply causation.
I absolutely believe the timing of this was influenced by those sanctions 100%. I also believe it was influenced by both China and Russia attacking International infrastructure. Things like the other side of the table being cut , or the ZX back door orchestrated by China last year.
I believe all these things factor into why Linus and the foundation CHOSE to expel those contributors. Because they are vulnerable to those authoritarian States. And are thus a vector to attack the projects. Which they did not have staff or funds to audit and ensure they weren’t.
You keep implying that this was not a choice that Torvalds and the foundation did it against their will. Despite Torvalds posting the opposite. You can keep linking to the sanctions all you want. And while I think the sanctions played a part in this. I still think Torvalds and the foundation chose to do it on their own. And were not under duress to comply. Unlike your average Russian or Chinese citizen. Not that the West is Worlds better.
You cannot force someone to do something voluntarily
Instantly disregarded. Completely boneheaded thing to say.
Spoken like an willful adherent of a failed ideology.
Are they an adherant if they’re paid? What about if it’s an LLM?
Yeah, that’s right. I willfully pay rent and I willfully adhere to capitalism. No force used anywhere.
Sorry you said something stupid and got mad when someone pointed it out :(
Damn your projection is off the charts. But I mean it’s what we’ve come to expect from leninists. The childish Behavior I mean.
Had I actually said anything stupid. Then you should have been easily able to refute it. Yet you can’t. You can’t even actually acknowledge or reply to anything that I said. Instead choosing to Make up things or imagine things that were never Said.
BTW I’m an anarchist. I have no love for rent seeking leaches. Just as I don’t for capitalist/leninist hypocrites.
Sues. Lawyers do discovery. Tencent refuses. Court fines Tencent in contempt, rules in favor of the government. Tencent tries to bribe Trump with something.
…Trump announces he made a peace deal with China
Isn’t every chinese company part of CCP
“all right Tencent, make a game where you play as Tank man defending the innocent at Tiannanmen Square please”
Yes.
Come at me bro
The DoD will pay its fines 500#s at a time.
Of course it’s not a military company, it’s an espionage company.
There is a reason why chinaman kicked out google and facebook from his market…
You know, you can be critical of a government without using racist slurs against the people from that country. Not everyone from China is part of the CCP.
giving you the benefit of the doubt like maybe english isn’t your first language, that word is considered a pejorative/slur in all modern usage
It’s never been anything but.
the wikipedia article on it cites two instances where it didn’t seem to be wayy back at the word’s inception. but yeah hardly matters in the grand scheme
Naw, it was most commonly used as a term similar to “that chinese guy” which is easy to confuse with racism at a time period where people were generally racist towards the chinese, but the term itself is not racist. There were actual slurs back then they could use if they were about that.
My Grandmother said they always bought they’re vegetables growing up from the chinaman who rolled his cart through the alleyway behind their homes. It’s not a term of hate, but it’s easy to say hateful things alongside it.
How are you this dense?
The people going around loudly policing other people’s language do more harm to leftist causes than good.
Chinaman is not the preferred nomenclature, dude.
His racism was on full display, huh?
Touché
Oh but for some reason Floridaman is okay?
Your submission in “Tencent says it’s not a Chinese military company and is willing to sue the US Department of Defense if it isn’t removed from a blacklist” was removed for Rule 3.
CCP moderation detected.
You are making it racist, it is just term unless calling our daddy as the man is also racist.
🤡
Yeah, okay.
Derogatory terms towards anyone will always get removed, have a good day.
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Thus proving that Tencent is either stupid or is insulting our intelligence.
Lol sue the us?
Money vs money, go for it
Discovery process, you say?
Which documents, you say?
What happened?
Shredded, you say?
How badly?
To bits, you say? Oh my my…
Oh my, the US military might have to change the name of the list to, “Foreign companies we’re blacklisting for classified reasons”. How terrible.
Cool, can we make the divest from American game studios now?
Sure, go ahead and try to sue the single most powerful entity on the planet.
I agree with the US DoD. The large Chinese corporations are owned by CCP members and former PLA officers. Contain them until the PRC implodes.
Given the way things are going, the US will implode long before China does.
If the US goes China goes, the trade links are comparable to the late bronze age which ended when the trade links collapsed.
Given the insane tariffs on Chinese goods and the fact that china is still thriving begs to differ.
Not to mention I’m pretty sure all of their Chinese office buildings are literally in Military owned and operated land.
It would be like Google HQ being in the middle of a US military base.
EDIT: Although I do admit adjacent the Googleplex building there is a Department of Defense building like 10 minutes drive, near the airfield, but it’s probably there because NASA operates on the airfield.
