“OMG guys look. Nazis were a specific group in Germany circa the 1940’s. Elon is just a massive, authoritarian loving racist, okay? Not a Nazi. Read a dictionary.”
God I wish I just came up with that joke myself instead of basing it on real arguments I’ve heard. 😮💨
I’ve gotten really wary of people when they start splitting hairs:
- “Nazis were a specific group in Germany”
- “What’s happening is Gaza isn’t a real genocide”
- “Hebephilia is not the same as pedophilia”
- “cartoon animal sex isn’t the same as beastiality”
It isn’t, but they’re still wrong’uns if you ask me.
Enjoying watching animals having sex is beastiality. It is wrong, I agree.
“It’s not beastiality”.
“Well that doesn’t mean it’s beastiality”
Lol
If he’s not from the Nazi region of Germany, he’s not real Nazi, he’s just a sparkling fascist. 🧐
(Not an original comment, but it’s too good not to recycle)
Isn’t that why we have the term neonazi? Nothing watered-down about that!
“He probably did it as a joke.”
Actual excuse I’ve heard from multiple people.
I thought the point of a joke was to be funny? What is funny about memeing a Nazi salute?
People are goddamn morons.
They’re lying. The joke is on you.
“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
Jean-Paul Sartre
I have asked a similar question many times in the past when people excuse such things as jokes:
What is the effective difference between doing a Nazi salute like that “as a joke” and just doing one?
Same thing I ask when people claim they are being racist as a joke.
What is the effective difference between doing a Nazi salute like that “as a joke” and just doing one?
Plausible deniability. Pushing a boundary instead of breaking a taboo.
That is not an effective difference, that’s an excuse.
I’ve also heard the excuse “he’s autistic”
An excuse is all it is
I mean he did. It was a shitty ass hole joke. He just wanted to piss the woke people off it definitely worked.
Woke is now defined as being appalled by Nazis? I thought that was just common sense.
He just wanted to piss off anyone who he thinks is his enemy. Is what I meant by woke.
You mean like the antisemitism he spewed like a day ago?
What?
Oh, you didn’t see that? Go do a search. Musk is a fascist and saying otherwise is just running interference.
Are you mistaking my comment for someone else? When did I ever defend him or say anything good about him.
Probably should just drop the term altogether then. It basically implies that being a moron is somehow virtuous.
Can you explain how people being upset about credible threats of terrorism is funny?
I didn’t say it was funny.
Sure 👌
The only reason I think it was a nazi salute is that it was done by a nazi…
Who could have guessed that the rich white South African would turn out to be a white supremacist?
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Sorry but, no. Stereotypes are bad.
He’s a white supremacist. That’s all that matters here.
Except South Africa has a specific history where being a white South African, raised in the era in which he was raised, can be expected to have a very relevant influence on how he sees the world.
Everyone of race X who lived in location Y at time Z thinks the same
No. This is textbook bigotry. You’re literally implying all white people around his age who were raised in South Africa are just like him.
That’s fucked up.
Look, my last comment left out the word “rich”, the original I replied to used it. As far as I’m concerned, any rich white South African from the apartheid era is sus as fucking fuck, at a bare minimum. Onus is on THEM to prove they aren’t monsters.
If that’s bigotry to you, you have a lot of growing up to do. This kind of nonsense purity testing is the reason the left remains a fucking meme.
ETA: Ah, you even put words in my mouth, “just like him”. Did I make such a claim? What I said in the first place is that growing up that way would definitely influence how someone sees the world. So the ridiculous hair-splitting you’re doing isn’t even close to accurate, you had to invent a comment I never made to throw your bad take at. Yikes.
Where the attitude comes from matters a lot actually. It informs the conversation and gives relevant context that can be used to determine the veracity of the claim that, no he’s not just some awkward guy making a weird gesture, he’s a fucking rich white South African who grew up believing that some people are more important than others.
Imo the rich part matters too
It matters in the same way that fire can kill you. If you’re in a house fire, you died of smoke, not fire. But…fire can still kill you, and is dangerous.
Wut?
WHO is downvoting this??? You’re absolutely right!
I am! Because the fact that his family, the figures he looked up to, and he himself, all directly benefitted from the system of apartheid that was a specific integral part of the system in South Africa from which they derived their gains?
That is relevant in the same way that saying “he was born in Alabama in the 1850s, is the son of a slaveholding knight of the golden circle, and owns a lot of bedsheets with eyeholes cut in them” would be a valid set of concerns, all of which can be used as valid identifiers that, why, yes, these add together to paint a picture of the culture that this hypothetical man is most likely to espouse. So when he “accidentally” lights a cross on fire while holding a rope with a slipknot in his offhand, do we really think that the tied slipknot at the end of his rope is to lead cattle, or is it more likely that he intends to lynch someone?
That’s all too many words. You don’t need all the exposition. You know how you know the guy you described is a racist? By the the fact that he’s a racist. Doing racist things.
All that other stuff is extra padding.
Sorry use many words. I see question, think want answer. Am wrong?
Depends on your goal. Short communications make bigger impacts.
Fuck off. Being South African has nothing to do with this guy’s bullshit.
Edit: ppl downvoting this fact without even attempting to back up the contrary are idiots and cowards.
I don’t think they’re saying each item individually.
Omg, just because he said he’s a Nazi doesn’t mean he actually is one. You need to remember he’s autistic. He’s on the spectrum. Are really harassing this poor man on something he can’t control?!
Sad thing is that, regardless of what he is or isn’t, people are answering his attention whoring with attention.
He’s the richest man in the world who has untold influence over the most powerful office in the world. It’s hard to ignore him at this point sadly. Ignoring the problem isn’t going to make it go away.
So if people made shirts of musk nazi salute and wore them around, would they get kicked out of places? Like the DMV or any government office?
It would be even more effective if it were a photo of the actual president doing it.
I am not hoping that it happens. But when it does happen, I hope the photographers have some good angles.
But it is a photo of the actual president doing it!
lol well yeah, I’d say it’s equally as disturbing for those of us paying attention. But for certain populations seeing the figurehead do it carries serious weight.
Still not a fan of pizzacakecomics. The ones that are supposed to be funny aren’t, imho, and the political ones are way too heavy-handed for my taste.
I mean, don’t get me wrong, I agree with the content, but for a comic that’s on the reddit frontpage all the time it’s an incredibly crude way of getting the point across.
i think it’s a fairly good satire of the situation… of course musk didn’t say he was a nazi, but he did give the contemporary neo-nazi salute of hitting his chest first… twice in a row, the same way….
and there’s actually an argument as to whether or not he meant it… even though it’s not ambiguous at all, and he’s had a history of promoting far-right content, the AfD, and his wealth originates in Apartheid South Africa and is obviously soak in blood….
it’s pretty absurd that anyone would deny it.
there’s actually an argument as to whether or not he meant it.
There has been no argument from Musk.
well no he made fun of it on twitter:
““Frankly, they need better dirty tricks. The ‘everyone is Hitler’ attack is sooo tired.”He used a joke to deny being Hitler. Not the same.
he denied it, is the important part
He said didn’t want to be referred to as Hitler.
He denied nothing.
the denial was implied, grow up
Delusional, as usual
