Keep in mind it can take a few minutes or longer for some votes to come in from other instances due to how federation works. Sometimes a group of votes can get backlogged and all come in at once. Other times they’ll show instantly. It’s just a minor tradeoff to using decentralized social media

Awesome, thanks for doing this!

Also !lemmy_dev@programming.dev ! Not quite as active though

Welcome! 🎉

What doesn’t line up is that most other operating systems including macOS support PWAs with different browser engines. That along with the fact that Apple announced this at the bottom of an article hidden under a collapsed menu, it really makes it seem like they’re trying to find an excuse to get rid of them without damaging their brand reputation. It’s no secret how profitable the App Store ecosystem is, and this is one more way they can pressure developers into it while shifting the blame to the EU

From what I’ve seen It’s mostly been:

• New Lemmy users trying to find an app
• People looking for an app with specific features
• New app announcements
• Bigger releases and changes to existing apps

I think that content all depends on how many users and apps there are—not much you can do about that.

Maybe we could have a monthly post asking people what they want in Lemmy apps (features, ideas, likes and dislikes)? That might be a good way to bring all devs and users together to think of ways to make the ecosystem better

Of course! Yeah, this post was intended to be less of a proposal and more of a brainstorm session. Maybe licenses aren’t the way to go about this, or we create our own licenses to be compatible with ActivityPub and match Lemmy’s values? Maybe it doesn’t matter how our content is used, or there’s nothing we can do?

You might be right, I definitely see your point. ActivityPub adds a whole new layer to this too. In the end though, isn’t the content we post no different than anything else published on the Internet? I guess it’s important to note that technically nothing public can be 100% prevented from being used in unwanted ways. However, there might be other ways (legally, socially, etc.) we could discourage it.

Regardless, I’d love to get a better sense of how much this matters to us here on Lemmy—or if it should even matter in the first place

Thanks for hearing us and continuing to allow all types of apps here. FOSS is an amazing model for some projects, but some of us simply want to protect the rights of what we create or we’re looking at other models to help Lemmy become more sustainable

Might have spoken too soon, sorry. I saw you were banned on awful.systems but looks like the ban was an accident (modlog).

You don’t have to do any of that, I was just pointing out that none of us really know who you are, where you came from, or how you became a mod here. That makes the decisions you’re making for this community more difficult to receive.

If another poll (through StrawPoll or something else more fair) is the only option you’ll consider, I vote for that. I still think a separate community for FOSS Lemmy apps would be best given the results so far, but it’s ultimately up to you

Oh, spoke too soon maybe, looks like it might have been accidental https://awful.systems/modlog?page=1&userId=3525901

I’ll remove that from my comment

I still disagree with how this was executed:

• Voting on a post is not a fair way to conduct a poll because (1) each instance shows a different amount of votes due to federation delays/issues, (2) some instances disable downvotes, and (3) downvoting decreases the visibility of posts in the main feed
• The poll only ran for 20 hours and you didn’t state when it was going to close beforehand

I’m putting further pressure on this because:

• The community seems to be divided pretty evenly on this proposal
• This community is named lemmyapps, not fosslemmyapps
• Some of us have privacy-respecting, non-tracking, no-ads apps that do not follow the FOSS model for good reasons
• Your accounts are all less than 10 days old. Nothing necessarily wrong with that, but an introduction from our new moderator would have established a bit more credibility before making quick changes like this.

Here are some alternative solutions we could discuss:

• Leave this community as-is and create a new community for free, open-source apps
• Prioritize free, open-source apps in this community with megathreads or title requirements
• If you’re still wanting to restrict this community to FOSS, do another poll that more accurately and fairly counts votes (using something like StrawPoll potentially).

Regardless, please take the time needed to do this fairly and consider both sides. Changing the topic of a 5k-member community based on a 50/50 or even 60/40 vote should not be taken lightly.

Thanks!

That’s too bad, some of us simply want to retain ownership of what we create or are looking for a more sustainable model. I definitely see and respect the good intentions here though.

Also, in the interest of transparency, would you mind un-deleting the poll post and discussion post so others can see the discussions if they wish?

Yeah, that’s annoyed me too. This is being discussed and will likely be added sooner rather than later

Thanks for asking the community about this. Here’s my two cents:

• Many companies and developers choose paid, closed-source, or partially closed-source models without any malicious intent, tracking, or advertising. Restricting to FOSS will also choke out developers that are simply wishing to retain ownership of what they’ve created or wanting long-term sustainability.
• I’d suggest using StrawPoll or something else to keep voting fair. Votes affect post visibility, and some instances don’t have the option to downvote.
• I’d also love more of an introduction from our new mod (who you are, what interests you have, how you got here), especially seeing that your accounts are under 8 days old

The problem with restricting this community to FOSS is that you’re also choking out people/organizations that simply want to retain ownership of what they create or seek long-term sustainability. Retaining ownership of something or charging for something doesn’t automatically mean malicious intent. Both FOSS and proprietary have their place, and each one can be more sustainable than the other depending on the project and the maintainers. We should definitely be against people and companies that are exploiting user privacy, but we shouldn’t be banning everyone that simply wish to retain ownership of what they create as well.

For those wanting to use it right now on your local machine, Gemma has just been added to Ollama

So you’re saying the main issue with this community is that Lemmy users are stumbling upon apps that track them? What about free, closed-source apps that fully respect privacy?

I think having a featured thread that categorizes apps by open/closed source or privacy policies would be better. More transparency should be the goal here, especially since FOSS app communities already exist.