Um, no? Stop centering your political compass around a new center, where to you current leftists look rightwing according to it

Your reply shows to me that you are unfamiliar with socialism/communism and don’t entirely know what you’re referring to.

I’m not pushing anything towards the left, the left has always been to the…well, left.

The only thing that has swifted is the fact that a lot more people now are unfamiliar with what constitute as “left” and their perception of what is “extreme left” has changed because of their unfamiliarity with it. And because of right wing propaganda scare tactics like “everything I don’t like is communist!”

The compass has never moved. Only your perception of it has

“Why don’t you communists try to be more conservative?”

That’s a wild suggestion that I’ve never seen before lol

It’s fucking hilarious how similar leftist are to the right wing

They are not actually. You simply don’t know the difference

They’re not, they are criticizing that and having a more nuanced conversation about the role of capitalism in this situation.

That user is just obsessed with them. Even if they clearly have never been in those communities to see for themselves

I fully accept and recognize 100% of the damage Biden and Harris have done

You actually don’t. And you wrote why yourself later

Why won’t you recognize the objective fact that Trump is worse on almost every issue, especially this issue?

What is “worse” in this genocide? You, just like a lot of average Democrat people on both Lemmy and Reddit, have this idea. There’s no “worse” genocide. All the atrocities that happened under Biden, will sadly simply continue to happen under Trump.

Just because you usually vote for the Democrats, it doesn’t magically make their “genocide lite” more appealing…or exist. It’s not a thing. Try telling someone from Palestine that things are about to get worse after all they’ve witnessed and see what they reply.

You, and everyone else guilty of this, are simply minimizing their experience and policing their voices. “I know you think this is already the end of you, your family and everything else you hold dear, but trust me, this other guy that I hate, is worse than witnessing your dear one being burned alive”

There was a choice between “continue” or “get worse”.

Wrong, the choice in Palestine and Gaza has depressingly always been “continue” or “continue” with the genocide.

And that’s why I felt sick by the comments. Because you (and everyone else in .world) is STILL doing this exact shit, after Palestinian people have been trying to tell you this for far over a year

Spoken like someone who still doesn’t truly understand all the destruction and death that Biden caused and supported.

I guess for you and all the people like you, Palestinian lives are just not worth as much.

With all your genocide apologism, I might as well be back in Reddit…how depressing

Lmao what kind of nonsense is this?

Edit: this instance is WILD. Y’all are always crying about .ml or hexbear or whatever else, but at least they’re not making fun of the literal ongoing genocide that was supported and funded by the Democrats.

Now I see why people talk shit about this instance too. I feel gross after reading such comments and seeing how many upvotes they got

The US, at one point, stated that it would use any and all means necessary to prevent ICC prosecution of US servicemembers…

…including, but not limited too, carrying an offensive attack on a friendly NATO country, to cover up any possible attempts at justice.

Nice effort at jedi mind tricking your way around it lol

to state sponsored assainations of private citizens.

You’re talking about the US’ policy abroad here, right?

Comparing strategic war plans

Or is this your attempt at justifying drafting plans to invade a friendly country?

Either way…whatever you gotta tell yourself

Typical exaggeration by the media then.

The US too drafted a plan to invade the Netherlands “just in case” the International Court decided that the US should follow international law.

I’m guessing a slow news day at Politico

Because troll, that’s why

While I do genuinely feel sorry that this roommate of yours behaved in such awful and shitty way, my point was about the larger communities as a whole. Especially now that there are openly fascist people in power in the US and in a lot of other countries, I believe it’s even more important to be united. Or at least, as I quoted before, know where the differences lie.

That doesn’t mean being supportive of wrong behaviors and/or people of course. Being critical of wrongdoing is an essential skill. But in my opinion one can’t be as critical when generalizing about such large groups

Should I work with Marxist-Leninists?

If you’re organising at work or around housing issues, the people you work with are not going to all have the same politics at you, and your opinions on the July 1918 uprising of Left Socialist Revolutionaries after their expulsion from the Bolshevik government are not relevant to that situation. Yes, really, no-one gives a shit. You’re relating to each other as workers in that situation, not as representatives of a political niche, at least we hope not.

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If there are real political and organisational disagreements, it’s better to be open about them than gloss over them, and retain some independence.

Just cleaning up after your whitewashing

What crimes exactly has any of those communities committed? I must have missed those posts.

Also…I admitted some views can be extreme/incorrect. I never said they are the perfect instance. None is. And that’s not how you use that term by the way, my friend

Their community is just a bunch of trolls like you said

That’s not what I said :) you are very obviously misquoting my comments

I’m glad the instance I use block overtly toxic ones

Neat. Good for you then, that’s the beauty of the fediverse

Sorry this is not true.

It is true. That’s MY experience with them

They are very aggressive and attack every viewpoint harshly

And? I do too when I’m heated about a topic. If your viewpoint is to defend fascism, why not attack it? And I’m not talking specifically about you here. But if we’re debating, I expect someone to bring a good debate.

The reason instances ban them is they are not here for the conversation

Sorry this is not true.

And I already gave my explanation as to why in my original comment.

Nothing good comes from that community, only confrontation

So just like your comment? Lol jokes aside, I already addressed everything you said before. But I’m happy you were able to disagree and get it out of your system. I’ve noticed a lot of Lemmy users have this weird obsession with those instances, when in reality they are just instances. They have both shitty and normal users. It’s always more nuanced than that.

Hexbear, together with Lemmygrad and Lemmy.ml are left wing, communist instances here on Lemmy.

A lot of (new) users of Lemmy have very strong - as in negative - feelings about them because of their ideas. Which to me makes sense because a lot of these users tend to be more centrist in their views and have never read Marxist literature before.

I will be honest with you and tell you my experience: they can be dickish and straight up trollish in their behavior, but not anymore than your average online trolls. The actual main reason people dislike them, is because they stick together and sometimes “brigade” post which nominates them and talk shit about them.

I personally was on the receiving end of their trolling when I first joined Lemmy too. But among the trolls, there were also very nice users who gave me friendly replies. And I had great conversations with them.

Eventually I even decided to open an alt account in one of those instances to learn more about their views and engage with them on their political knowledge. I really enjoy learning from them and having open conversations about politics with them. Even when sometimes I see their more extreme opinions, I still try to always be open minded at first. More often than not, I will learn that something I used to think on a subject, was the result of historical misconceptions or straight up propaganda. That is not to say that they can’t be wrong of course. But it pays off to be receptive about new points of view.

There are some elements that can be considered extreme, especially to someone from the general public who has never engaged in political conversations with someone who is very much to the left. It takes a little adjustment if you want to try and engage because so much of the media and literature we consume reinforce our views on the system while they specifically try to be critical of it.

Bur FOR SURE you will never see that instance be racist or bigoted. I have lost counts how many times I’ve seen that in other instances, but with them, you know exactly where they stand on that. As in, they do NOT tolerate that.

Tldr: Hexbear (with Lemmygrad and Lemmy.ml) are openly communist instances on Lemmy. They are very vocals because they have a large userbase. They can be trolls that stick together sometimes. If you are politically interested/involved, I instead recommend joining one of their instances to see for yourself.

Edit: you can also tell how much people here have a negative feeling about those instances by the reactions in this post. Everything remotely critical is upvoted, while anything that even hints a positive opinion of them, will be downvoted. And then more and more users will start downvoting without even reading the comments. And they will start attacking users because they disagree and feel the need to attack them because “that instance bad”…in a way not too dissimilar from the brigading I mentioned before for some of the users from those instances. Showing you a real life example of how there are extreme users in every online community

EDITED: After initially misreading the post, I’m actually very glad that I just joined an instance where the majority of people is so against Facebook and their scummy business.