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    Hey look. Its what we’ve been telling you it was the whole time. A genocidal eradication of a people to take their land.

    The weakness of western ‘democracies’ is disgusting.

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        That’s the problem.

        The western democracies aren’t weak like TropicalDingDong says, their governments have chosen their side.

        And if the neighboring countries do anything about it, the western democracies will take action.

        The inaction isn’t due to inability, but due to apathy for the Palestinians.

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          Saudi Arabia and the Arab world could ban the sale of oil and see biden prostrate, nobody gives a fuck about them because you can’t make money from them and being a religious minority (in the west at-least) is the icing on the cake, not to say they care about their religious brothers, it was never a reason for anything other than oppression of people they don’t like.

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            Saudi Arabia and the Arab world could ban the sale of oil and see biden prostrate

            Like I said above, most Middle Eastern governments who aren’t aligned with Iran have been tamed by the US using both carrots and sticks. Saudi Arabia wants their weapons, Egypt wants its aid, etc etc.

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              The Saudis’ also wouldn’t be anywhere near as successful with an oil squeeze today as they were in the 70s.

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        It’s Western democracies that tamed Middle Eastern countries to make sure they’re always on Israel’s side, or at least effectively neutral. You can see it from Saudi Arabia’s weapons and war in Yemen to Egypt’s aid; the US spends a lot of money and political capital to buy the Middle East’s cooperation in Israel’s Apartheid/genocide project. And if that wasn’t enough, they deployed strike carriers to make sure nobody intervenes militarily.

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      I’m thinking these days. The problem with democracy is that it can’t be forced even if it were the correct thing to do in the pragmatic sense. If you force it, it’s not democracy.

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    This shithead’s genocide is going to birth a new generation of vengeful extremists out of the ashes of Gaza for the rest of the world to deal with, in the future

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      By design. Fascists need an enemy to protect people from, in order to justify their cruelty. And they need a underclass to oppress, to demonstrate their power.

      If they can make one out of the other - why, that’s just efficiency.

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    I hate him so much. Way before the Gaza war. He’s an alt right tyrant regardless of his religion.

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      Don’t call Zionists Jews.

      Zionists are a disgrace using Judaism only as a shield for their war crimes.

      Netanyahu is quite literally a white surpremacist that just wants to kill brown people and expand the Lebensraum.

      Nazism isn’t a religion.

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        Being a fascist doesn’t stop you being Jewish any more than being a slavemaster stopped the pilgrims from being Christian

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    It’s ok when Zionist colonisers say “from the river to the sea” but it’s hate speech when the original inhabitants or their supporters say it

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      Just a reminder that before Palestinians lived there Jewish people lived there. I don’t really support either side. I just like saying uncomfortable facts out loud because I’m on the internet. Downvote away

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        3 thousand years ago? Before there was Jewish or Palestinian people there, the was no one. Hence I believe the area should be completely emptied. Just like to say uncomfortable facts out loud.

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        Was the original Jewish population ethnically cleansed from the area in living memory? No? Then I don’t fucking care.

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          So genocide is ok as long as enough time passes from the event? It’s such an obvious dog whistle when those opposed to the current genocide are magically unopposed to the genocide perpetrated against a certain group of people “before 1930”. It’s not ok to perform acts of genocide against the Palestinian civilians today nor is it ok for the historical Jewish populations to have had acts of genocide perpetrated against them.

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        It depends on how it’s said. Is it said as part of an effort to build a multicultural / religious state or part of an effort to rid the region of other ethnicities?

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          Well yes, a two state solution will never work but building a new cooperative nation isn’t stretching the borders of either current party

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            It worked with Native Americans, it worked in South Africa.

            One of Rome’s tyrant emperor’s, Caracalla, granted citizenship to a huge swath of the empire because vesting populations is stabilizing.

            But yea, lets continue the current regimen of apartheid because that keeping the region so safe…

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              The two state solution is going to continue what we have now where they kill each other over the border because neither side is going to be content with it

              If you trust in Hamas, at least you can distrust Netanyahu

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                Why would you assume I trust any Hamas sources when I can just listen to Israeli leaders openly call for genecide? Also Hamas is a corpse of a regime who the West pretends is still alive to justify the genecide. My fear is the power vacuum will be replaced with something much worse. The Iraq war all over again.

                I wouldn’t count out a one state solution eventually. As this genecide and looming regional conflicts isolate Israeli politicians. Because let’s not forget, it’s leadership not civilians that create these horrible events.

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    I thought they’d wait longer before doing this. Don’t they want to tease the West a bit longer? See if they can get more weapons and stuff? Or are they calling their bluff, knowing they’ll give them stuff no matter what they say at this point?

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    “For 30 years, I am very consistent and I am saying something very simple: this conflict is not on the lack of a state of Palestinians, but the existence of a state, the Jewish state,” Netanyahu said, according to a translation on i24NEWS. “Every area that we evacuate we receive terrible terror against us. It happened in South Lebanon, in Gaza, and also in Judea and Samaria [the West Bank] which we did it.”

    It turns out, when you terrorize people and steal their land for decades they are still angry at you when you('re forced to) let them borrow some of their land back while continuing to terrorize them.

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          . So Gaza doesn’t become all at Bibi’s mercy.

          So you think that would be different from what is happening now.

          Do you think holding more hostages would make a difference?

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            Having hostages gives Gaza slightly more hope for when the war ends. And not surrendering means they can at least prevent Israel from occupying all of Gaza.

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              Serious question, without trying to stir shit up:

              Other than international outrage or intervention what would prevent Israel from occupying all of Gaza? Doesn’t Israel outnumber 20:1 in terms of population, and outgun 2024 to 1970 in terms of technology?

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                They outnumber them 3:1, but that aside: Guerilla warfare, probably. No matter how technologically advanced you are, it’s very hard to occupy a population that doesn’t want you there, so it’d depend on how long the West is willing to fund Israel’s Afghanistan.

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    It certainly seems like all roads are leading to a big war soon. Storms a comin fellas. Enjoy what we have now.