I don’t think what Welch said was racist or offensive and I do think what Snoop said was racially-charged and more offensive altho nobody probably cared because it was funny and entertaining.
This whole thing is ridiculous and no, my true self is tolerant of all races. I care about ideas and people getting along in a pluralistic society, not rich white people settling ideological scores because they have time and nothing better to focus on.
I just think you made a basically libellious and nonsensical claim and just because you have a Salon article that says what you want to hear and signal (which consequently fails to persuade at all) doesn’t mean you get to make claims like that without being called on to justify it.
If you took that to a court of law and tried to make a case there you would be laughed out because there is zero substance to it and your claim.
Also, its not about playing a game or whataboutism, you aren’t being consistent. I have a problem when its ok for one group of people to say and do something that for the other group to do in the exact same context or equivalency would be considered “racist”.
How’s that going to help? How is Matt Welch anything you said he is? You made the claim you need to back it up. You haven’t so far.
Why do you get to speculate about race stuff and then when a double standard is suggested you refuse to because now its suddenly a game?
That tells me you aren’t willing to engage with your own same standard which makes it objectively unreasonable. You know if you were forced to answer that you wouldn’t have an articulable basis to do so besides solipsistically citing some shoddy article so you change the rules so you can justify refusing to entertain logically equivalent claims that are problematic for your narrative
He is layers of wrong. He is wrong on his conclusions and facts. If all you’re doing is defending his (wrong) conclusions off of his “facts” it would take millennia to explain why he’s wrong.
Enough of his “facts” are wrong that anyone serious shouldn’t take him seriously.
He is as serious as a 2015 BuzzFeed listicle.
You seem young. Find a hobby that takes you out of your house.
Its not a useful point so I amended my comment. Still waiting for anything you can use that isn’t a silly Salon editorial and actually has an argument I can engage with
You seemed to have no problem engaging with the previous one. Unfortunately, your idea of engagement was asking why black people can say something that white people can’t.
I’m ultimately saying it was Obama who actually made the reference and Welch who connected the dots to SnoopDog. How is that racist? Lets focus on that because thats the substantive matter here. Is it racist to recognize a cultural reference and put a name to it?
If you continue to avoid that question there’s just not anything to discuss aha
Also, I don’t necessarily disagree with or have any issue with Obama just as I don’t necessarily agree that Welch was ultimately on the right side of the issue (ACA) in this instance but the notion he’s racist based on that is sort of laughable and hurts whatever cause or principle you’re arguing from. I might have to say “when” now cuz we’re not getting anywhere
You’re right, I’m not going to hold your hand and explain to you why saying that Obama made a “SnoopDoggesque display” is racist regardless of Welch “connecting the dots.” You never even answered me when I asked you quite some time ago if Welch would have made the same statement about a white politician who said the same thing. That and your “why can’t white people say X” thing show exactly what you think.
If I understand you, the argument seems to be that if a white president had acted similarly Welch wouldn’t have made the Snoop connection but because Obama is black, that proves _______ Racism?! Do I have that right?
I don’t think what Welch said was racist or offensive and I do think what Snoop said was racially-charged and more offensive altho nobody probably cared because it was funny and entertaining.
This whole thing is ridiculous and no, my true self is tolerant of all races. I care about ideas and people getting along in a pluralistic society, not rich white people settling ideological scores because they have time and nothing better to focus on.
I just think you made a basically libellious and nonsensical claim and just because you have a Salon article that says what you want to hear and signal (which consequently fails to persuade at all) doesn’t mean you get to make claims like that without being called on to justify it.
If you took that to a court of law and tried to make a case there you would be laughed out because there is zero substance to it and your claim.Also, its not about playing a game or whataboutism, you aren’t being consistent. I have a problem when its ok for one group of people to say and do something that for the other group to do in the exact same context or equivalency would be considered “racist”.
Can you show me where the definition of racism exists in the U.S. legal code? You know, since you brought a court of law into it.
How’s that going to help? How is Matt Welch anything you said he is? You made the claim you need to back it up. You haven’t so far.
Why do you get to speculate about race stuff and then when a double standard is suggested you refuse to because now its suddenly a game?
That tells me you aren’t willing to engage with your own same standard which makes it objectively unreasonable. You know if you were forced to answer that you wouldn’t have an articulable basis to do so besides solipsistically citing some shoddy article so you change the rules so you can justify refusing to entertain logically equivalent claims that are problematic for your narrative
He isn’t just wrong. That isn’t strong enough.
He is layers of wrong. He is wrong on his conclusions and facts. If all you’re doing is defending his (wrong) conclusions off of his “facts” it would take millennia to explain why he’s wrong.
Enough of his “facts” are wrong that anyone serious shouldn’t take him seriously.
He is as serious as a 2015 BuzzFeed listicle.
You seem young. Find a hobby that takes you out of your house.
When you say “he”, who are you talking about?
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So, please explain where racism is defined in U.S. law.
Its not a useful point so I amended my comment. Still waiting for anything you can use that isn’t a silly Salon editorial and actually has an argument I can engage with
You seemed to have no problem engaging with the previous one. Unfortunately, your idea of engagement was asking why black people can say something that white people can’t.
I’m ultimately saying it was Obama who actually made the reference and Welch who connected the dots to SnoopDog. How is that racist? Lets focus on that because thats the substantive matter here. Is it racist to recognize a cultural reference and put a name to it?
If you continue to avoid that question there’s just not anything to discuss aha
Also, I don’t necessarily disagree with or have any issue with Obama just as I don’t necessarily agree that Welch was ultimately on the right side of the issue (ACA) in this instance but the notion he’s racist based on that is sort of laughable and hurts whatever cause or principle you’re arguing from. I might have to say “when” now cuz we’re not getting anywhere
You’re right, I’m not going to hold your hand and explain to you why saying that Obama made a “SnoopDoggesque display” is racist regardless of Welch “connecting the dots.” You never even answered me when I asked you quite some time ago if Welch would have made the same statement about a white politician who said the same thing. That and your “why can’t white people say X” thing show exactly what you think.
Oh, and then there was this:
You literally denied racism is a thing.
Check your fucking privilege.
If I understand you, the argument seems to be that if a white president had acted similarly Welch wouldn’t have made the Snoop connection but because Obama is black, that proves _______ Racism?! Do I have that right?