A specific example from me would be implementing LLM AI into my code (genetically) and without more details than that I’ll get people demanding that I don’t do that and giving suggestions for what I should do.
Suggestions are cool, but I’m gonna ask why I should not put LLM in my code in a generic sense just to have my question ignored or have lies and insults hurled my way
It’s cool if you want to answer that question, I’m just curious about other people’s similar story about receiving resistance to follow up questions if you just have to say those people aren’t worth it or you feel like you missed something you shouldn’t have in those situations.
Yup, I work as a shipwright welder and have had to refuse to complete assigned tasks. When I’m tasked with welding two large steel plates together, end to end, they both need to be double beveled. If they’re not, then all I can do is make thin surface welds which are easily broken.
That’s dangerous as these steel plates are an inch and a half thick and weigh a lot. Their weight alone will break surface welds. So I refuse to do the job. They ask why I refuse and I tell them about the lack of double bevel.
I’m even willing to break out the oxy/acetalyne torch and cut the bevels myself, but they refuse. They’re in a hurry, they don’t have time to do things correctly or safely, and they don’t care about making it someone elses problem. That’s the sort of shit that’s likely to cause serious injury or death.
Regarding your specific example, there pretty good reasons not to use AI if there’s an adequate alternative, so I can absolutely understand people arguing against that.
AI is resource intensive and thus bad for the environment. Results usually aren’t deterministic, so the behavior is no longer reproducible. If there is a defined algorithm to solve the issue in a correct way, AI will be less accurate. If you use cloud services, you may run into privacy issues.
Not saying there aren’t any use cases for LLMs or other forms of AI. But just applying it everywhere 'cause it’s fancy, is not a good idea.
In general, I appreciate if people question my work or come up with proposals for improvement as long as it’s polite and the person is at least qualified to some degree. However, that does not mean that I change my mind immediately and follow their advice.
Yeah if you have better way of doing anything with no drawbacks you should do that I’ll just say out of pure reason.
Thinking about deterministic results. I can think of a flawed code that gives a wrong result deterministically 1 out of its thousands of potential outputs and you can determine that 1 wrong answer is A) not big enough flaw to fix(code is good enough) B) not worth fixing since it’s rare (too much effort to fix). Now how that applies to LLM is that you can see the what LLM outputs and determine it’s execution is good enough or not working.
Using a lot of resources at the cost of the environment is more a value thing. Cyanobacterial didn’t care about poisoning the environment with oxygen. Ironically I don’t think the electric grid should be restructured for ai since I don’t think so is doing anything important enough to warrant changing the electrical grid.
I would care if someone was rude or unqualified on an issue. Id want to know why something I did was wrong, either technically or morally, or if there a better way of doing and why it’s better
I would care if someone was rude or unqualified on an issue
Would you? Your tone reads as fairly rude in this post, and your qualifications seem quite lacking if you don’t even comprehend the dire environmental impact and obvious drawbacks of the vast majority of contemporary AI big compute. For that matter, most llm outputs are not deterministic, especially with certain configurations eg high temperature, etc, so I don’t even follow your contrived example here. Consider that Cyanobacteria are unaware of their environmental impact - humans are not so ignorant, unless they choose to be.
i fucked up, i meant i wouldn’t care if someone is rude or unqualified. also forming attacks me based things i said is hilarious. i don’t even bother defending myself to people like you, mostly because you don’t want to hear me out.
When tech changes quickly, some people always resist exponentially in the opposite vector. The bigger and more sudden the disruption, the bigger the push back.
If you read some of Karl Marx stuff, it was the fear of the machines. Humans always make up a mythos of divine origin. Even atheists of the present are doing it. Almost all of the stories about AI are much the same stories of god machines that Marx was fearful of. There are many reasons why. Lemmy has several squeaky wheel users on this front. It is not a very good platform for sharing stuff about AI unfortunately.
There are many reasons why AI is not a super effective solution and overused in many applications. Exploring uses and applications is the smart thing to be doing in the present. I play with it daily, but I will gatekeep over the use of any cloud based service. The information that can be gleaned from any interaction with an AI prompt is exponentially greater than any datamining stalkerware that existed prior. The real depth of this privacy evasive potential is only possible with a large number of individual interactions. So I expect all applications to interact with my self hosted OpenAI compatible server.
The real frontier is in agentic workflows and developing effective niche focused momentum. Any addition of AI into general use type stuff is massively over used.
Also people tend to make assumptions about code as if all devs are equal or capable. In some sense I am a dev, but not really. I’m more of a script kiddie that dabbles in assembly at times. I use AI more like stack exchange to good effect.
yeah i see that marx said
[doing away] with all repose, all fixity and all security as far as the worker’s life-situation is concerned; how it constantly threatens, by taking away the instruments of labour, to snatch from his hands the means of subsistence, and, by suppressing his specialised function, to make him superfluous
but that’s marx just saying industrialization is threating working class. im not seeing much myth just boring explanations of workers relation to machinery
I do use perplexity and chatgpt to code a lot. i really rather not go to stack overflow and try to understand three posts and figure out an implementation. I’m fine with that being automated
