Summary
Stephanie Diane Dowells, 62, was strangled during an overnight visit with her husband, David Brinson, at Mule Creek state prison in California.
Brinson, serving life without parole for four murders, claimed Dowells passed out, but authorities ruled her death a homicide.
This marks the second strangulation death during a family visit at the prison in a year; Tania Thomas was killed in July 2024 while visiting inmate Anthony Curry. Investigations are ongoing.
California is one of four states allowing family visits to maintain positive relationships.
This exact same glib argument can be used against your own complaints about life imprisonment, so I’m not even sure what you’re arguing for at this point.
Uhh, what? I guess I need to be very specific with you, lol.
You were saying that you don’t want to defend life in prison or locking people up. I countered by saying “yeah, it would be great if we lived in a world where that wasn’t necessary, but that’s not the world we live in.”
Since you’re the one so pre-occupied in living in a fantasy world where you think prison isn’t necessary, I said “You should focus on reality instead of your fantasies more often.”
Ironic how you’re saying this after you’re the one who said “compensation for families makes dying in prison ok.” How come you completely ignored my point about giving compensation to families of people who get the death penalty?
You’re the one arguing we shouldn’t imprison people for life. People in favor of life imprisonment can turn right around and say; “yeah, it would be great if we lived in a world where that wasn’t necessary, but that’s not the world we live in.”
“You should focus on reality instead of your fantasies more often.”
I was saying it’s better than the death penalty, not that it’s okay.
Wrong. I’m arguing that by your “logic,” the reasons you give against the death penalty are also applicable to life in prison. Therefore, you shouldn’t be saying one is okay but not the other, which is what you were doing.
Good, I’m glad you can at least be direct about it now. What should we be doing instead?
You started off arguing against life in prison.
I only said that life in prison is less bad than execution. I never said either were okay.
Create a society where there aren’t incentives to do crimes and then focus on reeducation and rehabilitation for people who need help adjusting to life in a peaceful society.
We need schools and hospitals, not dungeons. In some cases people might need to be involuntarily placed into reeducation and rehabilitation, but that’s far different from just locking them up as a form of punishment.
What should we be doing instead of sending people to prison until we have the society you envision?
Well we could start by massively reducing the prison population. If we addressed crowding, existing prisons would be far more humane.
I’m sure there needs to be a phase-out period while we build hospitals and schools, it really wouldn’t take that long if we actually marshalled all the forces of production on the project. If we built as fast as China we could replace all prisons in a year.
You didn’t really answer my question.
By instead, I meant instead of sending people for prison (possibly for life.)
“Reducing the prison population” still involves sending people to prison, possibly for life. What should we be doing instead of sending people to prison before we live in a society where people don’t commit crimes worthy of incarceration?
I’m sorry I have to be so specific with you, it feels like I’m talking to a genie lol.
Well I literally said we can keep the prisons open while we build the hospitals and schools. There’s no where else to put people who are a danger to themselves and others.
Also, we can definitely redefine what a “crime” even is; so many people are locked up that don’t need to be.
To be clear, since you don’t seem to understand what I’m saying, I’m saying that hospitals and schools replace the prisons. In a just society, antisocial behavior would be treated with rehabilitation in hospitals and reeducation in schools. Again, the hospitals and schools replace the prisons.
I’m sorry that I keep repeating myself but it seems like there’s some fundamental disconnect with what I’m saying that you don’t seem to be understanding. Are we communicating through translation software?