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    Again, people share consequences with their government regardless of whether it’s a democracy or whether they personally support said government. I’m sure there were a lot of German people who were opposed to Nazi policy but shared their fate.

    If Gaza has the capability of murdering thousands of civilians, I suspect that they have the capability of deposing Hamas if they were so inclined.

    So what are you suggesting, Israel should stop attacking Gaza and leave Hamas in power because there are children there? That’s exactly why they hide behind them, this sentiment.

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      people share consequences with their government regardless of whether it’s a democracy or whether they personally support said government.

      So Hamas is justified in killing Israeli citizens just as the IDF is justified in killing Gazan citizens?

      Weird watching you twist your brain into knots to find ways to only condemn one side while praising the other.

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        Israeli civilians clearly have been sharing consequences for the actions of their state. What do you think the attack was about?

        The difference here is that one side has been constantly provoking and the other side has been constantly trying to create safety for themselves. The earliest conflicts between Jewish farmers and Arab farmers, the earliest massacres in mandatory Palestine, were instigated by Palestinian Arabs. Palestinian Arab nationalism made a one state solution not viable, and Palestinians declared war on their Israeli neighbors because they didn’t like the borders of a two-state solution. They got their asses handed to them. Then they tried it again in 1967, once again getting their asses handed to them. They have constantly been aggressors who refused to make a viable peace and acknowledge their realpolitik situation. Instead, they have opted for terrorist Guerrilla attacks against civilians for the past 50 years as their situation grows ever worse.

        But yeah if you ignore all context and causality both sides are the same 🙄

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            Did you know Israel and Egypt have been blockading Gaza since 2007?

            I did. Did you know that was in response to Gaza electing Hamas who at that time took over Gaza in a coup?

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              So… Israel isn’t a neutral actor “just trying to defend themselves.” They’re cutting Gazans off from the rest of the world.

              At what point do you admit when you’re wrong?

              What does it take?

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                So… Israel isn’t a neutral actor “just trying to defend themselves.” They’re cutting Gazans off from the rest of the world.

                They are cutting off Gaza to defend themselves.

                • Before the attack, many Gazans were given permission to work in Israel.
                • Egypt can let in as many Gazans at they want, only they don’t want to because they represent a security risk to them. I do not believe Israel’s treaty with them limits this.
                • There’s an obvious reason why Israel blockades Gaza, doesn’t let people into their territory without permission, and heavily controls its border with a territory that is actively belligerent and wants to genocide them.

                At what point do you admit when you’re wrong? What does it take?

                Compelling evidence.