Trump’s threats to Canada are not idle boasts and shouldn’t be taken as such. They call for a whole of society response.

  • sndmn@lemmy.ca
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    18
    arrow-down
    3
    ·
    2 days ago

    This could be pretty scary if the US had an evil and competent leader.

    Given Jabba the Trump’s track record, he’ll surrender in about 3 months.

    • Avid Amoeba@lemmy.ca
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      32
      ·
      edit-2
      2 days ago

      Yeah we need deterrents. This shit ain’t funny anymore and there’s no guarantee Trump will be the last in the string of fascists.

      • useyourvoice@lemmy.ca
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        15
        ·
        2 days ago

        Exactly they’re repopulating themselves like cancer. On socials they’re regurgitating MAGA/Trump bs talking points. It’s the American culture at this point to do hostile takeovers. They’ve always been this way. We just never thought it would happen to us.

      • sloppychops@lemmy.ca
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        10
        ·
        2 days ago

        His son is already floating the idea of running in 2028, so the wild ride with this particular fascistic dynasty is far from over. It will probably continue into the next decade or so, at the very least. And if Canada maintains its sovereignty over the next four years, that does not mean we’re in the clear. Far from it.

        I’m 100% with you on ‘deterrents.’ I think it would reveal an extreme lack of competence, not to mention a dangerous lack of planning for our leaders not to consider seriously the idea of a robust deterrent at this point. I hope it’s already being floated.

        The fact that our leadership created the conditions for or allowed to worsen our over-reliance on a single trading partner doesn’t speak much to the levels of competence we should expect out of Ottawa.

        • SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          18 hours ago

          The fact that our leadership created the conditions for or allowed to worsen our over-reliance on a single trading partner doesn’t speak much to the levels of competence we should expect out of Ottawa.

          The opposite, really. Countries that trade with each other tend not to go to war with each other. Strong trade relations make wars very expensive. Before invading Canada the US will need to reduce it’s trade with us, or a war could result in an economic collapse of the US. Trump is right now finding out how expensive it is to the US to even do tariffs. A war would be a whole other level of expensive for the US.

          That being said, the US has extremely unstable leadership right now. A war would be stupid, but then so are tariffs, so we can’t predict the depths of stupidity the US will sink to. But any country in the world could fall to fascism, so what can we do? I guess never trade with anyone? Become more likely to be attacked by rational actors because of fear of irrational actors?

          • sloppychops@lemmy.ca
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            16 hours ago

            I see your point, but I feel like spreading the risk a little would’ve been the more secure trade policy. 70% reliance on one country seems borderline obscene. Of course, hindsight is 20/20 so there’s not really any point in me complaining about what should have been. All we can do now is work to correct the mistake.

            • SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              2
              ·
              15 hours ago

              This isn’t actually all that unusual. Most countries do most of their trade with their neighbouring countries for logistics reasons. To actually implement diversified trade would require the government enact policies preventing Canadian businesses from doing trade with the US, or maybe having export taxes or whatever. A business that can make money selling to the US isn’t going to just turn that money down, right? There would be an ongoing cost to maintain those policies, all to avoid a hypothetical future cost of diversifying the economy if that trading partner suddenly went insane.

              Now there are things the government could do like developing infrastructure needed to make sure we have the capability to trade with other countries. Like a pipeline from Alberta to the Pacific for example. Perhaps more projects like this should’ve been done, but these kinds of things aren’t cheap and how much money do you spend to protect against future economic problems?

              Also they could pursue trade agreements with other trading partners… and that happened too. There’s the CPTPP on the Pacific side and CETA with the EU. Unfortunately we’re still waiting on EU members ratify CETA, but not much we can do about that.

              So yeah, it’s a lot of hindsight is 20/20 with this kind of thing. As with most things, the government could have done better, but they did do some things Ok. But having a neighbouring country suddenly batshit is always going to cause trade problems.

    • NotSteve_@lemmy.ca
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      22
      ·
      edit-2
      2 days ago

      i declare war to start on march 25th

      actually war is pushed back to April 1st

      ok it’s war time! wait why is my economy hurting, pause the war

      ok war for real now. wait, sorry one sec, war partially pushed back to next month

      why is Canada attacking us?

    • Ulvain@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      3
      ·
      1 day ago

      That’d be true if he felt any kind of discomfort from attacking Canada, but the reality is that he’d be willing to do whatever makes him look strong as long as others are doing the dying