I didn’t mean for this post to cause a bunch of arguing in the comments =(

I thought this was just some gallows humor (e.g. “Everything’s lovely except that I have to fear for my safety all the time”) type of shitpost that sounded similar to comments I’ve heard from women irl a lot.

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    You, in particular, are not being called a murderer, because the OP clearly says “men” and not “all men.” You are however contributing to the problem by being dismissive and making a discussion about women’s safety about you, which is why women should be afraid of you since you are clearly self-serving and have no empathy for and understanding of their plight.

    Please explain to me how women talking about violence from men affects you personally. I can tell you how exaggerating your claim is harmful toward women, since because of the disproportionate violence and sexual abuse they face from men, they often find themselves having to speak on their experiences, and often aren’t believed thanks to unfounded biases like yours.

    The difference is that your claim is grossly exaggerated to appear equal to the OP’s claim, which actually has statistic validity. The OP’s only mistake is specifying murder, which isn’t the only threat of violence at the hands of men a woman would potentially (and has a good chance of having to) face walking alone at night, but anyone who isn’t 12 should be able to understand the use of hyperbole in a motherfucking shitpost. The intention is clear. it is not safe for women because of violence from men.

    Here are the statistics: https://rainn.org/statistics/scope-problem, https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/table-42/table-42.xls, https://www.statista.com/statistics/251886/murder-offenders-in-the-us-by-gender/

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      You are being disingenuous again. Because you keep piling up new things and also because:

      You, in particular, are not being called a murderer, because the OP clearly says “men” and not “all men.”.

      If that were the case, why did you find fault at the assumed statement of “women lie about rape”? I didn’t say “all”. If you believed what you just wrote to be true, you wouldn’t have brought this up. The OP was a blanket statement that included me. For nothing other than having a penis. Also, don’t forget that one comment that implied this to me directly.

      You are however contributing to the problem by being dismissive and making a discussion about women’s safety about you

      Yeah, no. Learn how to make a discussion without accusations, like the accusation that was done in the OP, and then you can argue that. I realize you didn’t make the initial accusation, but you are defending it, and are also trying to make it into a “woman experience” which should somehow make it above reproach. That’s low.

      which is why women should be afraid of you since you are clearly self-serving and have no empathy for and understanding of their plight.

      Defending myself being called a murderer is self-serving and makes me without empathy and women should be afraid of me. What?

      Please explain to me how women talking about violence from men affects you personally.

      Oh, depends. If a friend asks for help in a current situation I can lend a helping hand. If a friend experienced something like this I can lend an ear and a shoulder. On the internet I can at least listen. And I do.

      In this case someone was accusing me of being a murderer for having a penis, and you keep telling me that that’s not what’s happening. If you want to be listened to by me you need to tone down the accusations. To zero. Except if I did something, then I will take the blame. But I didn’t, so I won’t.

      I can tell you how exaggerating your claim is harmful toward women, since because of the disproportionate violence and sexual abuse they face from men, they often find themselves having to speak on their experiences, and often aren’t believed thanks to unfounded biases like yours.

      Then don’t exaggerate it. What does that have to do with me? Also, you are cultivating a bias in me right now, not unfounded. It does only include you, in case that makes you feel better.

      The difference is that your claim is grossly exaggerated to appear equal to the OP’s claim, which actually has statistic validity

      It is not, because the OP has none. Even though men murder women more often than women murder women (which is a statistical truth), this isn’t what was stated in the OP. “Men love to commit murder” was the OP. There is no fact stated. Definitely not a statistically backed one.

      The OP’s only mistake is specifying murder, which isn’t the only threat of violence at the hands of men a woman would potentially (and has a good chance of having to) face walking alone at night, but anyone who isn’t 12 should be able to understand the use of hyperbole in a motherfucking shitpost.

      The OP made many mistakes which qualified it as a proper shitpost. I am not condemning that, I just don’t like it, as stated. I am condemning you.

      The intention is clear. it is not safe for women because of violence from men.

      That is the intended feeling, yes. Incredibly bad delivery, a shitpost even, but yeah that’s it. Feel free to feel, I guess.

      Put the statistics into the relevant parts of your comment next time. I won’t build your argument for you.

      This will be my last reply in this particular thread. I guess anyone reading won’t be reading the essays we wrote, and I’m feeling you are arguing in bad faith here. Have a nice day.

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      You are using statistics inappropriately. You don’t understand the argument you are just trying to villainise men