The only issue I have with this is that this fules the generalisation of politics even more. There is a lot more of a nuance in politics than just left/right or conservatives/liberals etc. You see this more in countries with more politics parties. It’s not an either or but a spectrum.
But this meme really suits the current climate of Shitter and the US politic system
If you voted for Trump you are allied with everyone who voted for Trump under one banner. The nuance is academic at that point. If you knowingly vote with nazis you’ve teamed up with Nazis. The reasoning is immaterial.
I’m not going to allow my feed to be populated by toxic hateful assholes, and I’ve reached the point of zero-tolerance for folks who try to suggest that anything of value is lost by blocking them.
Social media is NOT the entirety of human existence for most people. We have many, many opportunities in life to interact with and be exposed to people and opinions different than our own. Further, toxic assholes are toxic assholes, and although there is some heavy overlap, not everyone I disagree with gets a block, not even most. 90% of people I block I have never interacted with, I block them based on how I see them interact with others. And yeah, one whiff of maga is insta-block.
There is no argument about creating “echo chambers” that moves me. Folks who want to be down there throwing elbows with the cult of 45 and similar whackjobs are welcome to do so. When I go on social media I want to read and engage in reasonable discussion or I want to consume things that are being posted.
It’s not some kind of virtue to let trolling fascist assholes or similar shitstains to pollute the online space I make for myself when I have the tools I need to remove the taint.
It is about protecting innocent people from hateful bigots, I am sorry if you can’t understand the threat they pose, but I understand it very clearly.
There can be no basis for mutual understanding with people that define their politics upon hurting other groups of people.
I look forward to having intellectual conversations with conservatives after they become too afraid and ashamed to dare to speak their hate out loud in public spaces and they go back to pretending to not have batshit crazy hateful views…
The conditions for an intellectual discussion I define quite reasonably as you are not actively espousing beliefs and realword policies that preclude the existence of safe spaces for vulnerable groups like trans kids, black people, muslims, women, immigrants of any legality or origin, and the poor in general.
Tell that to a scared trans kid, or an immigrant trying to gain a citizenship in the US and live the american dream, or tell that to a woman who has to wait until she is precisely almost dead for a lifesaving abortion.
Nowhere for these people is safe (especially since this a global trend) because conservatives support policies for the sole and explicit reason they hurt people in these categories to the point that they will hand everything away to the fifthy rich just for the privilege of knowing a trans kid is going to be denied lifesaving healthcare and acceptance.
Shame on you for talking so flippantly about safe spaces in such an atrociously cruel moment.
I spit on conservatives, their views are destroying my country at a rapid rate and it is just a disgusting ideology full of thinly veiled childish fear and hate.
People who aren’t cowards protect innocent and vulnerable people, conservatives specifically target those people because it is easy to punch down at them and get assholes to like you for it.
The only issue I have with this is that this fules the generalisation of politics even more. There is a lot more of a nuance in politics than just left/right or conservatives/liberals etc. You see this more in countries with more politics parties. It’s not an either or but a spectrum.
I think by basically beating the conservatives out of the platforms it allows for this nuance to be expressed. Allowing them to hang around with their bullshit and disinformation leaves everyone fighting to establish basic facts and sanity and makes political discussions as tiresome as those that happen on an American presidential campaign…basically DEMOCRAT BAD, WOKE BAD, REPUBLICAN DADDY GOOD, BIG STRONG REPUBLICAN DADDY FETISH.
I like that they can’t debase and pollute every political discussion here.
Your argument breaks down at “conservatism” there is no nuance to being a fascist or fascism supporter. “Oh I don’t really like how he’s racist and I don’t really like how he treats women, but I support the tax cuts” Bitch, that’s the BAIT, you’re now supporting fascism because you were baited into it with your greed.
Extremism is bad yes, but you are assuming that is everything I can vote for. Politics is a spectrum and I know the US doesn’t see it, but in the end I vote in a country where I can vote on over 100 people from like 40 different parties. Same for when I vote for the EU.
I believe that the lack of nuance is part of the problem why I think the US lacks in the compromise department.
No there is no defence for extremism, but if you don’t have any good options to vote for then you choose for the one you think is the least bad.
Right up until it becomes about hurting and not accepting people for no good reason and blaming the victims of the inveitable catastrophic consequences, which is one of the only ideologically consistent throughlines through modern conservatism the world over.
The actions of a few shouldn’t punish the rest. Yeah extremism is bad and that is where Nazi’s and MAGA fall under (or Geert Wilders here in NL), but that doesn’t mean that every party that has a more conservative view on the world is inherently bad.
And that is where I stand, but there are rarely parties that are centered enough in the spectrum to follow my view on the world.
Yeah so the conservative parties you support and think more highly of are VERY much about conserving the precious natural landscape we all live in right? To be ideologically consistent valuing nature and strong environmental law enforcement would have to be at the top of their list right?
I am not talking about your particular politics, I am pointing out the basic, desperately fundamental contradictions modern conservatism has, the world over in many different countries and in many different contexts, between the stated values it purports to defend and pursue in politics and policy and how the impacts of those actions do far worse to violate those values, drag them through the mud and violently destabilize society while simultaneously empowering criminal thugs and grifters far more than any foreign threat or adversary could do. And what does the average person get for that betrayal of decency?
The only issue I have with this is that this fules the generalisation of politics even more. There is a lot more of a nuance in politics than just left/right or conservatives/liberals etc. You see this more in countries with more politics parties. It’s not an either or but a spectrum.
But this meme really suits the current climate of Shitter and the US politic system
If you voted for Trump you are allied with everyone who voted for Trump under one banner. The nuance is academic at that point. If you knowingly vote with nazis you’ve teamed up with Nazis. The reasoning is immaterial.
Then why have any discourse at all.
There’s no need for two-sided discourse on Nazism. It’s a settled subject.
I thought this was about conservatives.
As was established earlier in the comment chain, conservatives are openly allied with Nazis now.
A Nazi did the Nazi salute in front of every conservative in America, and not one of them repudiated him. So don’t play dumb.
Potato/Potato.
I’m not going to allow my feed to be populated by toxic hateful assholes, and I’ve reached the point of zero-tolerance for folks who try to suggest that anything of value is lost by blocking them.
Social media is NOT the entirety of human existence for most people. We have many, many opportunities in life to interact with and be exposed to people and opinions different than our own. Further, toxic assholes are toxic assholes, and although there is some heavy overlap, not everyone I disagree with gets a block, not even most. 90% of people I block I have never interacted with, I block them based on how I see them interact with others. And yeah, one whiff of maga is insta-block.
There is no argument about creating “echo chambers” that moves me. Folks who want to be down there throwing elbows with the cult of 45 and similar whackjobs are welcome to do so. When I go on social media I want to read and engage in reasonable discussion or I want to consume things that are being posted.
It’s not some kind of virtue to let trolling fascist assholes or similar shitstains to pollute the online space I make for myself when I have the tools I need to remove the taint.
Well, at the rockbottom, the only function is to shame and ostracize hateful conservatives who threaten the safety and acceptance of said community.
Hopefully it is much more than that, but even that is enough to be worthwhile.
So it’s about winning a propaganda war, not attempts at mutual understanding for you?
It is about protecting innocent people from hateful bigots, I am sorry if you can’t understand the threat they pose, but I understand it very clearly.
There can be no basis for mutual understanding with people that define their politics upon hurting other groups of people.
I look forward to having intellectual conversations with conservatives after they become too afraid and ashamed to dare to speak their hate out loud in public spaces and they go back to pretending to not have batshit crazy hateful views…
The conditions for an intellectual discussion I define quite reasonably as you are not actively espousing beliefs and realword policies that preclude the existence of safe spaces for vulnerable groups like trans kids, black people, muslims, women, immigrants of any legality or origin, and the poor in general.
Safe spaces with strict rules are great and necessary. Not everywhere can or should be a safe space though.
Not everywhere should be safe? Oh please do explain 🍿
Tell that to a scared trans kid, or an immigrant trying to gain a citizenship in the US and live the american dream, or tell that to a woman who has to wait until she is precisely almost dead for a lifesaving abortion.
Nowhere for these people is safe (especially since this a global trend) because conservatives support policies for the sole and explicit reason they hurt people in these categories to the point that they will hand everything away to the fifthy rich just for the privilege of knowing a trans kid is going to be denied lifesaving healthcare and acceptance.
Shame on you for talking so flippantly about safe spaces in such an atrociously cruel moment.
I spit on conservatives, their views are destroying my country at a rapid rate and it is just a disgusting ideology full of thinly veiled childish fear and hate.
People who aren’t cowards protect innocent and vulnerable people, conservatives specifically target those people because it is easy to punch down at them and get assholes to like you for it.
I think by basically beating the conservatives out of the platforms it allows for this nuance to be expressed. Allowing them to hang around with their bullshit and disinformation leaves everyone fighting to establish basic facts and sanity and makes political discussions as tiresome as those that happen on an American presidential campaign…basically DEMOCRAT BAD, WOKE BAD, REPUBLICAN DADDY GOOD, BIG STRONG REPUBLICAN DADDY FETISH.
I like that they can’t debase and pollute every political discussion here.
Your argument breaks down at “conservatism” there is no nuance to being a fascist or fascism supporter. “Oh I don’t really like how he’s racist and I don’t really like how he treats women, but I support the tax cuts” Bitch, that’s the BAIT, you’re now supporting fascism because you were baited into it with your greed.
Extremism is bad yes, but you are assuming that is everything I can vote for. Politics is a spectrum and I know the US doesn’t see it, but in the end I vote in a country where I can vote on over 100 people from like 40 different parties. Same for when I vote for the EU.
I believe that the lack of nuance is part of the problem why I think the US lacks in the compromise department. No there is no defence for extremism, but if you don’t have any good options to vote for then you choose for the one you think is the least bad.
Exactly, I only see this kind of vapid dogma in the good-ol USA
Politics is all about nuance & constant concessions
Right up until it becomes about hurting and not accepting people for no good reason and blaming the victims of the inveitable catastrophic consequences, which is one of the only ideologically consistent throughlines through modern conservatism the world over.
The actions of a few shouldn’t punish the rest. Yeah extremism is bad and that is where Nazi’s and MAGA fall under (or Geert Wilders here in NL), but that doesn’t mean that every party that has a more conservative view on the world is inherently bad.
And that is where I stand, but there are rarely parties that are centered enough in the spectrum to follow my view on the world.
Yeah so the conservative parties you support and think more highly of are VERY much about conserving the precious natural landscape we all live in right? To be ideologically consistent valuing nature and strong environmental law enforcement would have to be at the top of their list right?
I don’t support conservative parties? I am more politically right aligned, but also more progressive. Stop assuming shit about people
I am not talking about your particular politics, I am pointing out the basic, desperately fundamental contradictions modern conservatism has, the world over in many different countries and in many different contexts, between the stated values it purports to defend and pursue in politics and policy and how the impacts of those actions do far worse to violate those values, drag them through the mud and violently destabilize society while simultaneously empowering criminal thugs and grifters far more than any foreign threat or adversary could do. And what does the average person get for that betrayal of decency?