No I’m not, there is a difference, Islam fosters more extremists, Islam does not condone secular government. The Bible and Torah are bad too, but there are degrees, and there’s a reason more Christian countries don’t have death penalty than for any other religion.
But mostly it’s the culture of Muslim countries that is backwards. It’s not religion alone, but the culture and religion go hand in hand.
There can be zero doubt that Islam and Muslims foster way more extremists than other religions, when just burning a book can get you killed. Even in a democratic non Muslim country, What more evidence do you need?
You are looking at the extreme ends of
Muslim / Islam countries
There are “democratic” countries that are not as extreme like Malaysia and Brunei or even Indonesia.
Edited : out Singapore; see reply below for correction.
To me it seems like you are just looking at Iran/Iraq and such when you mention that religion so it will most definitely look like that.
I do agree at its current stage Islam is fostering a lot of extremist beliefs but there have been period with different leaders where things looked way progressive comparatively.
You cannot judge something that is almost immemorial from a single point of view as they all go through periods of change.
From my understanding in a world with 3 theocratic religion it has always been Judaism and Christianity vs Islam so of course you only hear and see bad and never the good when the overall big picture is messed up.
I personally am in favor of destruction of all religion but I also understand why they exist.
I am stating it again, try doing those same action in a state with a lot of Zionist believers or orthodox Christian’s and see what happens. I am not asking you to change your view but rather see it from an open prospective if you are going to try defending any religion at all.
The main religion in Singapore is Buddhism, second is no affiliation, third Christianity. And down at fourth with 15% you have Islam! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore
So you have one anecdotal example with Brunei.
And I can counter with Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Egypt, Jordan, Yemen, Somalia.
Where AFAIK all these countries have problems with for instance so called honor killings. And death penalty for insulting the false prophet.
As I mentioned it’s the culture and religion, but in extreme Islamic countries, the religion is preventing the cultures to progress.
And of course there are places that are worse than others, maybe Brunei is not so bad, I don’t know much about that country.
All the bad ones have way higher ratio of Muslims.
But I’ve mentioned before, that not ALL Muslims are bad. But it remains the main force for promoting religious extremism and fanaticism. And it’s rare to see Muslims complain when other Muslims do horrendous acts, like killing for expressing your opinion by burning a book. And things that should be a complete non issue like the Mohammad drawings:
People who were threatened on their life by fucking official MUSLIM GOVERNMENTS!! With Iran even offering a high reward for the death of Salman Rushdie.
How can you compare this to anything done in the name of Christianity today?
I personally am in favor of destruction of all religion but I also understand why they exist.
That we can agree on, religion in general is detrimental to both individuals and society. And they exist because of ignorance to explain common phenomena that weren’t understood in ancient times, and still aren’t today by a very large share of the global population.
Still there are differences as to how harmful each religion is.
I wrote my reply help asleep but I was thinking about Malaysia; apologies on that part but if you require a list of countries
Morocco
Tunisia
Malaysia
Indonesia
UAE ( they’ve since removed / limited a lot of their sharia based law )
Kazakhstan
Lebanon
Bosnia and Herzegovina
The mention of “false prophet” is subjective so I won’t get into that.
If you go to Israel and question the “messiah” I’m sure you’re bound to get similar results
It is at the end of the day all about leadership and as of this moment the leaders are regressive in those Muslim countries you listed but that is changing and will continue to change with time; maybe not for the kingdoms
As for Muslims not giving opinion of the subject of others committing heinous crimes in the name of Islam, that’s untrue as I’ve seen here in NY a lot of disgust and condemnation of those extremism.
Is it not the Christians in America that are moving the democratic sovereignty to a theocratic one?
The biggest threat to America today is not communism. It’s moving America toward a fascist theocracy. Everything that’s happened under the Reagan Administration is steering us right down that pipe.
Frank Zappa
Let us work towards a future where religion plays a background subject.
No that’s what the evidence or rather lack thereof say, so it’s as factual as it gets. You can’t claim belief as fact. And there is no evidence to support any claim that he is an actual prophet, so Occam’s razor suggests that he is not. Also the more fantastic the claims, the more need there is for evidence.
Let us work towards a future where religion plays a background subject.
Absolutely.
If there were more coffee in the world, people would drink more coffee.
Also Frank Zappa. 😋
He was an amazing guy. And he was 100% right about Reagan as I see it, the direction of USA since is now a proven fact.
No I’m not, there is a difference, Islam fosters more extremists, Islam does not condone secular government. The Bible and Torah are bad too, but there are degrees, and there’s a reason more Christian countries don’t have death penalty than for any other religion.
But mostly it’s the culture of Muslim countries that is backwards. It’s not religion alone, but the culture and religion go hand in hand.
There can be zero doubt that Islam and Muslims foster way more extremists than other religions, when just burning a book can get you killed. Even in a democratic non Muslim country, What more evidence do you need?
Again nitpicking;
You are looking at the extreme ends of Muslim / Islam countries
There are “democratic” countries that are not as extreme like Malaysia and Brunei or even Indonesia.
Edited : out Singapore; see reply below for correction.
To me it seems like you are just looking at Iran/Iraq and such when you mention that religion so it will most definitely look like that. I do agree at its current stage Islam is fostering a lot of extremist beliefs but there have been period with different leaders where things looked way progressive comparatively.
You cannot judge something that is almost immemorial from a single point of view as they all go through periods of change.
From my understanding in a world with 3 theocratic religion it has always been Judaism and Christianity vs Islam so of course you only hear and see bad and never the good when the overall big picture is messed up.
I personally am in favor of destruction of all religion but I also understand why they exist.
I am stating it again, try doing those same action in a state with a lot of Zionist believers or orthodox Christian’s and see what happens. I am not asking you to change your view but rather see it from an open prospective if you are going to try defending any religion at all.
The main religion in Singapore is Buddhism, second is no affiliation, third Christianity. And down at fourth with 15% you have Islam!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore
So you have one anecdotal example with Brunei.
And I can counter with Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Egypt, Jordan, Yemen, Somalia.
Where AFAIK all these countries have problems with for instance so called honor killings. And death penalty for insulting the false prophet.
As I mentioned it’s the culture and religion, but in extreme Islamic countries, the religion is preventing the cultures to progress.
And of course there are places that are worse than others, maybe Brunei is not so bad, I don’t know much about that country.
But if you look at Muslim countries they are only the 37th most muslim country:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country
All the bad ones have way higher ratio of Muslims.
But I’ve mentioned before, that not ALL Muslims are bad. But it remains the main force for promoting religious extremism and fanaticism. And it’s rare to see Muslims complain when other Muslims do horrendous acts, like killing for expressing your opinion by burning a book. And things that should be a complete non issue like the Mohammad drawings:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_cartoons_controversy
Or Salman Rushdie for writing a book: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salman_Rushdie
People who were threatened on their life by fucking official MUSLIM GOVERNMENTS!! With Iran even offering a high reward for the death of Salman Rushdie.
How can you compare this to anything done in the name of Christianity today?
That we can agree on, religion in general is detrimental to both individuals and society. And they exist because of ignorance to explain common phenomena that weren’t understood in ancient times, and still aren’t today by a very large share of the global population.
Still there are differences as to how harmful each religion is.
I wrote my reply help asleep but I was thinking about Malaysia; apologies on that part but if you require a list of countries
Morocco Tunisia Malaysia Indonesia UAE ( they’ve since removed / limited a lot of their sharia based law ) Kazakhstan Lebanon Bosnia and Herzegovina
The mention of “false prophet” is subjective so I won’t get into that. If you go to Israel and question the “messiah” I’m sure you’re bound to get similar results
It is at the end of the day all about leadership and as of this moment the leaders are regressive in those Muslim countries you listed but that is changing and will continue to change with time; maybe not for the kingdoms
As for Muslims not giving opinion of the subject of others committing heinous crimes in the name of Islam, that’s untrue as I’ve seen here in NY a lot of disgust and condemnation of those extremism.
Is it not the Christians in America that are moving the democratic sovereignty to a theocratic one?
Let us work towards a future where religion plays a background subject.
No that’s what the evidence or rather lack thereof say, so it’s as factual as it gets. You can’t claim belief as fact. And there is no evidence to support any claim that he is an actual prophet, so Occam’s razor suggests that he is not. Also the more fantastic the claims, the more need there is for evidence.
Absolutely.
He was an amazing guy. And he was 100% right about Reagan as I see it, the direction of USA since is now a proven fact.