I literally stated how it’s not Marxist… I’m pretty sure that I even proved it in my statement originally.
Marxist communism envisions a classless, stateless society where the means of production are communally owned. Post-scarcity could theoretically contribute to this, but Marxist thought emphasizes the historical process of class struggle and the eventual dissolution of the state. If a government still exists in your scenario, it may not fully align with Marx’s final stage of communism, which predicts the state “withering away.”
How do you read this and go no it is Marxist I’m right.
Again this is because Marx was concerned with reality. Science Fiction wasn’t even a genre to speak of in his lifetime. He might have considered non-violent tech driven communism had that been remotely conceivable at the time but during his time electrical power was rare.
Marx was a huge influence on Roddenberry’s views of The Federation.
While Star Trek reflects some Marxist themes—such as the abolition of poverty, class struggle, and money—there is no direct evidence that Karl Marx was a foundational inspiration for Gene Roddenberry. Roddenberry was more influenced by mid-20th-century liberal humanism, secular progressivism, and the optimism of the Space Age rather than Marxist theory.
The Federation’s post-scarcity economy resembles aspects of Marxist thought, but it arrives there not through revolution or class conflict but via technological advancement and social evolution. Moreover, Star Trek retains hierarchical structures (e.g., Starfleet’s chain of command), which contradict Marx’s vision of a classless, stateless society.
While Marxism and Star Trek share some overlapping ideals, Roddenberry’s future is more in line with utopian socialism, liberal progressivism, and even elements of American exceptionalism rather than strict Marxist doctrine.
The article you have provided doesn’t support what you’re saying instead supportswhat I’ve been saying the whole time.
There are of course parallels to Marxism in Star Trek. Which is not something being argued right now. The contention is that the society of Star Trek on Earth is marxist which it isn’t then the contention turned to rottenberry taking inspiration from Karl Marx which he didn’t.
Which goes back to my original question why are you talking about stuff you know nothing about?
You win!!! Congratulations!!! You’re a big boy with big opinions that are right!
For what it’s worth, I hadn’t said anything in this thread so far, so I’m not sure what you mean with your last sentence. Just pasted a link that I thought was interesting, related to the topic at hand… supporting the middle-ground position that you were asserting with your copy/pasted AI slop. Seems like you have a bias you’re working hard to reinforce. Or convince yourself of.
Then you got standoffish about it for some reason. Maybe a lack of reading comprehension? Maybe not paying attention to who you’re replying to? Who knows!?
You keep looking for things to be mad about, though, champ. Someday everyone will recognize you as the most smartestest and correctestest boy on earth.
O… I wasn’t looking at the user name. Does you mom know you’re using the internet? They really ought to put a filter on your phone or get one of those padded tablets so when you drop it reaching for your sippy cup it won’t break.
I literally stated how it’s not Marxist… I’m pretty sure that I even proved it in my statement originally.
How do you read this and go no it is Marxist I’m right.
Again this is because Marx was concerned with reality. Science Fiction wasn’t even a genre to speak of in his lifetime. He might have considered non-violent tech driven communism had that been remotely conceivable at the time but during his time electrical power was rare.
Marx was a huge influence on Roddenberry’s views of The Federation.
just a quick gpt query. So no… He wasn’t.
While Star Trek reflects some Marxist themes—such as the abolition of poverty, class struggle, and money—there is no direct evidence that Karl Marx was a foundational inspiration for Gene Roddenberry. Roddenberry was more influenced by mid-20th-century liberal humanism, secular progressivism, and the optimism of the Space Age rather than Marxist theory.
The Federation’s post-scarcity economy resembles aspects of Marxist thought, but it arrives there not through revolution or class conflict but via technological advancement and social evolution. Moreover, Star Trek retains hierarchical structures (e.g., Starfleet’s chain of command), which contradict Marx’s vision of a classless, stateless society.
While Marxism and Star Trek share some overlapping ideals, Roddenberry’s future is more in line with utopian socialism, liberal progressivism, and even elements of American exceptionalism rather than strict Marxist doctrine.
https://www.startrek.com/news/smith-marx-and-picard-star-trek-and-our-economic-future
The article you have provided doesn’t support what you’re saying instead supportswhat I’ve been saying the whole time.
There are of course parallels to Marxism in Star Trek. Which is not something being argued right now. The contention is that the society of Star Trek on Earth is marxist which it isn’t then the contention turned to rottenberry taking inspiration from Karl Marx which he didn’t.
Which goes back to my original question why are you talking about stuff you know nothing about?
You win!!! Congratulations!!! You’re a big boy with big opinions that are right!
For what it’s worth, I hadn’t said anything in this thread so far, so I’m not sure what you mean with your last sentence. Just pasted a link that I thought was interesting, related to the topic at hand… supporting the middle-ground position that you were asserting with your copy/pasted AI slop. Seems like you have a bias you’re working hard to reinforce. Or convince yourself of.
Then you got standoffish about it for some reason. Maybe a lack of reading comprehension? Maybe not paying attention to who you’re replying to? Who knows!?
You keep looking for things to be mad about, though, champ. Someday everyone will recognize you as the most smartestest and correctestest boy on earth.
O… I wasn’t looking at the user name. Does you mom know you’re using the internet? They really ought to put a filter on your phone or get one of those padded tablets so when you drop it reaching for your sippy cup it won’t break.