Force-a-Nature

bottled water quality is less regulated than tap water lol

Why should garbage unhealthy “food” be marketed to children though?

Nah you’re 100% in the wrong here, and it’s wild that you bring up respect, as if this attitude and behavior isn’t incredibly disrespectful. Calling someone is literally not disrespectful. What the fuck is wrong with people

I just stick to AMD, especially on Linux. The official AMD driver is open source on Linux, included in mainline kernel, and performance is better than their Windows diver now

1. yes, this is how interviewers must conduct interviews in order to have guests agree to be interviewed, to some extent

2. Did you see his latest interview with Bill O’Reilly though? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7qZE4C_neo

Or famously, Jon Stewart on Crossfire? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFQFB5YpDZE

EDIT Also in the Crossfire one your exact concern is addressed by Jon directly

EDIT again, also his “both-sidesism” seems to be being critical of both MAGA right wing nonsense and neoliberal capitalist nonsense, but I have not seen much criticism from him of progressives. If you have some examples, I’d watch them. So I don’t see how that he is “steeped in neoliberalism” because he is often critcal of it.

What was I “fuming” about…? Wdym?

“Everyone around me says they have positive experiences with the touchpads! They’re the ones that are wrong and I am right, because… the real people just ignore them and don’t post about it!!!”

Lmao. Yeah, I’m the one in an alternate reality here…

Wow this “alternate reality” seems pretty immersive:

https://www.reddit.com/r/SteamDeck/comments/td9inr/how_good_are_the_touchpads/

My experience with them has been pretty great. I was able to play a mouse and keyboard game with them without issue (in my case, the games I tested this with were Planet Zoo and FrostPunk). From my experience in the past with Steam controller, it’s the same if not better.

People have been playing every type of game out there with the Steam Controller for years. The efficacy of trackpads is self-evident.

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1675200/discussions/0/4353368616863474991/

I like to use them for typically very mouse-oriented games, like RTS and point-n-click adventures. They also help make navigating the desktop mode a snap.

Trackpads are highly underrated as inputs for the simple reason that there are two

the ones on the steam controller were perfect

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/steam-deck-valve-gaming-handheld

the touchpads work great as a mouse replacement in games like Civilization VI, which was surprisingly playable on the Steam Deck.

Gee, what kind of “homework” did you even do? These were the top 3 search results for “steam deck trackpad review”, skipping over a Reddit post titled " Steam Deck Trackpads are Actually Good" which was the #2 search result

Lmao “Playable” tag…

Can framework physically be upgraded? Yes. Is that practical, realistic, or something the makes sense for a typical user to actually do (beyond RAM and hard drives, which is common to be able to replace on most laptops already)? No. See all the reasons I’ve already covered. To market the product based on that like it is something great that a user will expect to do and why they should buy it, is pretty scammy behavior, especially when the laptop is priced at a premium and this is justified by these impractical features.

Ir16 is as repairable and as easy as framework to replace/upgrade typical components as one should expect for a laptop, like RAM, hard drives, and network card. You remove 9 screws, the bottom panel comes right off, and there is access to those components. I wouldn’t expect to easily replace other parts of it or the entire mainboard, but again, no one is practically going to be doing that with framework either anyway.

an unrelated and fairly ignorant take

It’s actually related (given all of the comments suggesting framework and parroting scam marketting points), and not ignorant, just realistic. People often want to defend their purchase after they’ve been duped.

Alrighty, then! If you say so

continues enjoying keyboard and mouse games on Steam Deck like most users, as Valve intended

Makes invalid comparisons based on incompatible measures and draws incorrect conclusions

You’re still wrong.

😂

Granblue Relink is just about closing that top 100 and has about 650 players right now. That’s not on Deck, that’s across all of Steam.

So a completely different measure than what is used for ranking Great on Steam Deck games…? 🤦 Comparison to concurrent users just isn’t valid because Great on Steam Deck ranking aren’t measured by concurrent users…

it’s that mouse-first games are quite unpopular

Evidence needed. Also, did you purposely leave out the fact that Civ VII is literally #2 trending on the Deck right now because it proves you argument wrong or…?

I don’t mind being wrong that much

That’s certainly convenient for you lol

I mean… for any game in the top 500 on Steam Deck… That sure would be one hell of a birthday party. You must have no concept of how big of a number 4 million is and how many people are playing these games on Deck…

Do you just not know what a radial menu is? The grid layout fits as many things as you configure it to, and the layout and arrangement of squares are fully configurable, which can be more useful and contextual than a radial menu… you should really watch that video I linked above, especially if you have time to spend counting games in the steam list lmao

a grid layout actually fits fewer things than a radial menu

Area scales faster than perimeter/circumference. You are literally, mathematically, incorrect. 36 buttons in a grid would still be readable and usable, with only 6 buttons per row, while 36 slices of a circle would be an unreadable squished mess with 9 items in each quadrant… That radial menu would likely need to be the size of the screen

And for the record, its not really a surprise or supportive of your argument that controller-first games are more popular, given that the Steam Deck also works great for controller-first games… like… duh?? That doesn’t prove the point you think it does

Chords, button combos and controller layers can be combined into surprisingly complex setups.

Ah yes, complex and hard-to-remember controller mappings, so much easier than: put thumb on pad -> make selection. Great point lmao. No one is saying that you can’t rig up solutions for controller, just that they are difficult to use and less payable than just using the touchpad. This very thing is probably what is driving you away from playing these games on Deck back to your computer or keyboard-lapboard gadget thing.

Probably too complex, unless you like playing Steam Input more than you like playing your game, but definitely very capable of doing as much as the left pad.

I agree 100%

Which, by the way, can be mapped to a radial menu and that’s about it

You underestimate how powerful Steam Input is, weirdly. Lmao

what RTSs do you play on the Deck or the Steam Controller?

Manor Lords. Total War games are great too. Civilization is turn based but still the same input mechanics and is much better on the TV due to the touchpads. Management games have all the same input mechanics as RTS but different gameplay, the obvious example is Rimworld, but also things like Zoo Tycoon and Cities: Skylines. All of these are totally playable, and several I, personally, prefer on the couch

“don’t force games that aren’t fun on a controller to be on a controller”

except they are fun and 100% playable, thanks to the touchpads. This is just what we actually disagree on, and MANY people agree with me here and use the Steam Deck to play these games, it isn’t some obscure or niche opinion, and its a major discriminator between the Steam Deck and other handhelds that are lacking in these input features

I mean that’s basically like saying “Who is playing Startcraft 2 on a laptop???” lmao the Steam Deck and Steam Controller touchpads are literally more precise and usable than most laptop touchpads due to their quality and advanced haptics, and these games are 100% playable on Deck and TV because of them…

And further, in the same messages you accept “using a single touchpad”, so like… you agree with me… great. And to satisfy your “dual touchpad” requirement, like I said waaaaaay back up at the top, the left touchpad is great for virtual menus. Pretty indispensable again in any RTS game, or mmoRPG, or pretty much any other games designed for keyboard with complex keybinds that a controller cannot support. An analog stick can work with simple virtual menus, but only doesn’t totally suck when it is a radial menu. The virtual menu use is pretty much the only reason I use the left touchpad, and yet its so useful for making these types of games playable that it justifies its place on the Steam Deck.

Your argument, once again, amounts to: “Stop having fun!!”

What game would I play on a handheld that requires that but doesn’t have any other way to do the same?

Umm… literally any RTS or management game… left click… right click… dragging entities around… multiselecting entities by dragging a box on screen… Good luck with the right stick for that, I’m sure its WAY easier to use it for these tasks than just using a touchpad to point the mouse, right? 🙄 Lmao.

Where do ou need to jump or press buttons on a controller while controlling the mouse? What is that?

Umm… literally any platformer or side scroller or top down game that has aim controls…

You wanted the name of a game, sure: Rimworld.

The proportion of games that don’t support controllers, can’t be navigated with a single touchpad and a touchscreen but would not require a full mouse setup is very small

Hmm, gee, let me think… perhaps any game where you need to be able to point the mouse without clicking or while clicking several times, or any game where you need the ability to left click or right click? Lmfao a tiny miniscule proportion of games, right???

Or maybe even a game where you need to press A to jump or X to interact while also controlling the mouse? I’m sure there’s only one or two games ever made like that… 🤦

play something else?

Lmaoo yep, that’s what I thought.

I don’t think anyone has ever expected or suggested that analog stick would not be included or do not belong on the Steam Deck, including Valve. The idea that Valve is against analog stick or attempted to not include them in the first place is ludicrous and the points you make about this are completely moot lol.

What point are you making by quoting this…? Like… I stand by the quote. Yup, its not a stick replacement. Yup, the sticks have always belonged on the Steam Deck and it was never intended to be touchpad-only.

“Hey, here’s a slightly worse way to play a few of your games on a TV instead of at your desk”

Compared to… what is the better way, exactly? It’s actually: “Hey, here’s a way to play a few (‘few’ 🙄 sure) of your games on a TV instead of at your desk that you couldn’t have done before with a controller”. Or is your answer “Just play those games on a desktop with a mouse! Stop having fun!” lmfao

… well, there’s a touchscreen right there.

Do you have three hands…? How are you holding the controller while operating the triggers and buttons and using the touchscreen at the same time? Using your nose to touch the screen? I think maybe you “let that one pass” for a reason 😉 (it doesn’t make any sense and isn’t relevant to the discussion). Are you genuinely proposing that “touchpads are bad and hard to use” but “the touch screen is a viable way to play mouse-based games”??

for the sake of keeping that weird vestigial remnant of the Steam Machines era.

Lmao boy, you are not going to like the Steam Deck 2 when it comes out. Guarantee that touchpads will continue to be first class citizens

No, friend, the argument you’re making is that Valve didn’t sell it based on its ability to replace sticks or mice, which is what is incorrect.

What??? No, reading comprehension (probably a good idea to understand the argument the other person is making before engaging with them). As I’ve stated over and over, the Steam Controller is good for playing non-controller games on the couch. Here, literally the first marketing paragraph from the literal Steam website…

Wow, gee… the exact point I’ve made over and over…

Its not a great mouse replacement

This means that I’m not going to sit down at my desk to play games on my desktop and choose to pick up a Steam Controller instead of just using the mouse that is right there. That does not mean that the touchpads aren’t still great for using with mouse-based games, which they are, it “solves the issue of playing mouse and keyboard games on the couch effectively”, but yeah it isn’t better than a mouse. The Steam Controller has not replaced using a mouse.