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Cake day: September 20th, 2023

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    1. ublock origin doesn’t block them
    2. tldr
    3. b12 supplements are fundamentally essential for folate defects
    4. nothing to comment on, you make vague assumptions and ad hominem attacks
    5. you simultaneously write it’s complex, imperfect and full of corruption, but also that it’s not unreliable. Pick a stance
    6. what dietary pattern fits the whole global population?
    7. I spent way too much time reading this. Despite being twins, the study shows the vegan group started the study much healther, with a healthier diet, eating less processed meat, with far lower LDL cholesterol. During the study the vegans were made to eat significantly less, and the non-vegan group was forced to eat more than they did before the study. The measures of success included fat loss and insulin again like I mentioned, a poor marker. Simply fasting or eating less would achieve the same results - which is exactly what the vegan group was made to do. There is nothing of value learned here.
    8. correctly set up RCTs with large groups would address the problem but AFAIK no one has ever succeeded
    9. you can eat a close to ancestral diet without living in the same place… your hyperbole and dramatisation is wild. I have visited several farms, none of which treat animals poorly. I’m sure some farms have horrific conditions and should be shut down, but that’s unrelated to vegan nutrition and ventures into whataboutism

    Thanks for the discussion but I am done




  • There are so many popups on your “US News” source I can’t even read it. The second link is just selling a book. The third link completely misquotes the Australian source that states b12 supplementation is necessary and careful planning is required to meet basic nutritional needs. B12 is an essential component of the folate cycle so that’s another negative for me.

    All the studies I have read on veganism’s benefits have been impacted by serious inconsistencies between the vegan and control groups, such as people who eat vegan carefully planning their diet and wanting to eat healthy. Control groups essentially always contain people who eat shit and don’t care. Additionally, practically all consider lower or loss of body fat a core focus or benefit which is a clear indicator populations are not being compared correctly. Of course health conscious people will have lower bodyweight, lower fat. As would people getting inadequate nutrition.

    Dietary studies are the most unreliable field of science. Broad generalisations are made, even single food items are difficult to study and worst of all, everyone is assumed to react the same to a given diet

    We have all these diverse people who come from long lineages of specialised genetics for eating specific local foods. There is no single diet appropriate for everyone.

    To even begin to have a useful study, you’d need to compare people of similar genetics, who eat planned, considered and healthy diets. Even then it’s going to be problematic with supplement use and other factors needing correcting.

    I have seen a few good Nordic diet studies, again applicable to only their genetics, but vegan diets were not compared.

    Vegans are a very small subset of the population who are health conscious and meticulous, very difficult to find a fair control. Same with microplastics and nanoplastics, we don’t have valid control groups as everyone has been exposed.

    I’d much rather continue consuming a healthy, balanced ancestral diet.