Look at all those people in that thread going “I dont know if animals have the same emotions or just similar ones” or “we can’t prove that plants dont feel pain too!” and then splitting hairs in the most asinine pseudophilisophical debates, just so they dont have to engage with the core of the issue, that what they’re doing is fucked up.

They know it, deep down, as did I before I went vegan, but it’s eye-opening to see it “from the other side”.

Try something material. Something that has an effect in your material context.

attack on identity

Another debate term. I’m not arguing with you. I don’t care about the truth value of that statement since it’s irrelevant to the point that I wanted to make. Please stop seeing every conversation through the lense of which fallacy can be applied. Not everything is a debate.

You’ll see it’s a much more freeing and fun way to interact with people, I promise.

On second thought youre probably really young in which case I want to apologise. You’re right that I neither argued for the claim in the link nor against your claim, I don’t care about either of them since their irrelevant to the main point. Word of advice though, these kind of “fallacy debates” about irrelevant details are not productive I have never witnessed someone being swayed by it. Find something you actually care about then argue about that. Argue why you care for it, people are much more convinced by emotion than some stylized formal argument.

Just looked through your other comments, you’re a debate pervert. You don’t actually care about the topic at hand, you just want to debate.

the latter lol it’s just been bog-standard racism the past century. There’s quite the movement to create inclusive childrens books though, to normalize different family structures and cultures right from the start, but animal books for vegans are still quite sparse.

edit: there’s one book where spousal abuse is played for laughs a couple times though, by a very popular author too, extremely weird shit

is that supposed to make it better or are you being a pedant?

Let me burn this horses skin so it is marked for the rest of its life

dont you dare put your cat on a vegan diet!

I believe it ties into the “if it cant be done 100% perfectly its not worth doing at all” excuse omnis have

thank you genuinely, now I need to find them in german as well🤣😭

😂

oh mine is learning animal noises still, cat goes “ma” sheep go “ba” dogs go “wa” elephants go “pffffff” lol.

But simply finding good picture books is already a pain.

Oh man how do we even define emotion, like what does it mean for something to be in pain, where do we even draw the line dude at sentience or at pain, what a quandary this all is

is what I got from your post. And its easily answered by “plants dont feel pain”.

Its tough finding good media, almost anything pre 2000 is out because of some sort of bigotry and even after that it gets iffy sometimes, and if you filter for copaganda, zoo propaganda, agri propaganda and corporate propaganda there is not a lot left…

I dont, I think youre just trying to make up some weird philosophical debate because you like to debate.

no dude its about the resources, like you claim that plants can feel pain or something stupid like that, read up on it.

Also

But I will still have to admit that at the end of the day, I might just be choosing to cause a different kingdom of life pain and suffering because it’s far enough away from my species that I don’t consider that to be pain and suffering.

sure sounds like think the “pain and suffering” of the two “kingdoms of life” might be equal.

https://yourveganfallacyis.com/en/eating-dairy-products-is-not-unethical

https://yourveganfallacyis.com/en/plants-are-alive/resources

As a new parent the agriculture propaganda from the very start is crazy! Look at this happy farmer and his cute pig its so happy in its mudpit, what a wholesome picture!

Believe me vegans put a lot more thought into nutrition than omni’s do. Aside from that pet ownership is not vegan. The word “ownership” being operative. If you find yourself having to care for an animal then that’s a different situation of course.

Here is some surface-level reading about caring for animals in a vegan way https://www.peta.org/living/animal-companions/caring-animal-companions/

The palestinian kids?