My cat and I have come to an agreement: I will not take the clothes directly around where he is laying, and he will not bite the shit out of me.

This feels like he’s doing some scammy bullshit, but I don’t know enough about shell companies and corporate fraud to state why.

No, that’s a demogorgon. A demagogue is a half god / half mortal.

And they sure as fuck aren’t going to vote in the 2026 Midterms either, cupcake.

I would love to hear your reasoning as to why you’re going to have more success trying to be nice to traitors in the hopes that they will no longer be traitors than in convincing someone that not voting against a person who actively hates America is a bad thing. I mean, you’re going to have to really put your foot into this one, because that whole premise sounds stupid as fuck.

No, I’m going to spend 2025 focusing on you idiot Democrats

Great. Continue beating that drum, you fucking moron. See how that works out for you. I accept your vote, but you will never get my gratitude, you Vichy motherfucker.

Edit: Oops - I’m sorry. According to your idiotic theory, my being mean to you means that you’re going to vote for a fascist. Please, Mr. Rational Guy, sir, please don’t vote for Trump in 2028 (assuming we still have elections by then) - I promise I’ll be really really nice to you! Fucking idiot.

See sweetheart

Ok, first of all, fuck you, you condescending fuck.

in order to win elections, you need to obtain more votes than the other team.

Hey dipshit - you do realize that 10s of millions of people just straight up didn’t vote in the last election, right? And that the number of Trump voters has been fairly constant since 2016?

Stop wasting your breath trying to coddle these fucking traitors. Focus instead on the people who didn’t give enough of a shit to vote against them. Maybe if we all loudly condemn the traitors and draw lines in the sand, we can shake a few million apathetic idiots loose in the process. Princess sugar tits.

What’s infuriating to me is that people like you like to constantly shift the responsibility for these shitheads’ behavior onto the people who call them shitheads for being shitheads. What, am I supposed to flatter the traitors in the hopes that they’ll choose to not be traitors anymore? Should I buy a sheet of gold stickers to hand out? Fuck that and fuck you for sticking up for them. They are adults and 100% responsible for their own actions.

Please enlighten me as to which cause I am lost from. I would like to know what noble calling I am failing to meet.

If you think that me calling someone who voted for Trump a shithead is “behaving as bad as [the shithead I’m] railing against”, then you are a complete buffoon. That man voted for a fucking traitor. Probably multiple times. His actions have directly led us to this state. You’re saying I shouldn’t crucify him… why the fuck not? He crucified all of us first.

You know what historians call the German people who voted for the Nazi party because of propaganda, or economic reasons, or because they just plain liked the cut of Hitler’s jib? Nazis. Historians call them Nazis.

You’re talking about fighting “the actual fascists”, but if this guy’s joined the cult of fascists, then he’s a fascist too.

Edit: also - the fuck you mean offer them a second chance? This election WAS the second chance. Third, actually. Just how many chances do you want to give out? They aren’t free, you know.

I welcome his vote as long as it aligns with mine, but that doesn’t mean he gets a pass. He’s still a shithead.

No, you know what? Fuck that. This man watched as Trump’s goons stormed the capitol and tried to overthrow the government. Those are the enemies this jackass swore to defend the constitution from. What, I’m supposed to cut him some slack because he was talked out of moral outrage by people like Jesse Watters? Fuck that guy. He deserves zero sympathy.

Yes, I certainly feel bad that the guy who took an oath to defend the constitution and then betrayed that oath by voting in a traitor is having a hard time now because of that vote. I am so, so sympathetic.

I don’t think you fully grasp the situation. You still seem to think that there are consequences for Trump when he breaks the law, and that the legal system in the US is still in-tact enough to grant you not only your freedom, but some compensation for your rights being trampled.

Yes, it is outrageously illegal for him to abduct Americans and send them to a black site on foreign soil with no due process. But he spent his entire last term positioning himself to be able to do and get away with outrageously illegal things this time around. He controls the department of justice and the supreme court. The supreme court has already given him an incredibly wide blanket for presidential immunity.

You might think “well, that’s ok - as soon as the story gets out, people will be rioting in the streets!”, but you have to remember that “independent media” is a thing that doesn’t really exist anymore. All of the major news sources in print and on television are owned by a small handful of billionaires, and he is very good at keeping billionaires on side. Any information that gets out there will be downplayed immediately, and the news will be forgotten in a couple of days to be replaced by the latest shocking celebrity news or the latest atrocity Trump has committed.

You probably would get out eventually (provided you don’t get sick and die or get beat to death by the guards or shanked or something), but you would be far, far worse off for the experience. The dream of vindication you’d get for sticking it to Trump would vanish like mist in the sun and you’d be left with the heart-wrenching reality that the life you had previously known is over, and you are at the mercy of the barbarians now.

I don’t… I really don’t understand what’s happening here. Are you pretending to be stupid to troll me or something? Is this how you get your jollies? By pretending to have a room temperature IQ to strangers online? Is it some weird kind of kink or something? Bro… are you using me to get your rocks off? Not fucking cool, man. You don’t just drag strangers into your kink. I did not consent to that shit. Go do your whole humiliation fetish thing somewhere else.

Alright, bud. I’d be very interested in seeing what math you do to make the $7 bn net income from FY 2024 (which I mentioned) into something other than $7 bn. Or the $122 bn total assets & equity (which I also mentioned) into something other than $122 bn. Like… what the fuck are you even talking about?

Source I’m using:

https://www.nasdaq.com/market-activity/stocks/tsla/financials

Hahah yep there we go… You haven’t been using publicly available data cause as far as I can see you haven’t referenced any number from their financials once

Err… what? I’ve referenced several numbers from their financials. What the fuck are you talking about?

If you want to know what their assets are worth without any fluff go right to their balance sheet

Uh yeah - I quoted that. Seriously, didn’t you say that you read everything I wrote? You couldn’t be bothered to skim it before posting this just to make sure you didn’t look like a dipshit when you hit reply?

Is this some sort of ploy to salve your ego in advance or something? I mean, Jesus. That’s truly pathetic.

Alright, well, I showed you mine. Let’s hear your valuation & rationale. My numbers are all based on the publicly available data. Let’s see what you got.

Also your valuation is still wrong hahaha. You thinking Tesla should be $12 and being able to prove that out with a fact pattern are two different things.

Well, you are at least correct about one thing. I was incorrect about the $12 stock price. In my defense, I wasn’t looking at the numbers at the time, just spitballing it. But going with the $45.5 bn valuation I mentioned previously, and their 3.5 bn outstanding shares, that would put the price per share at $13. I humbly accept the humiliation that comes with getting a hypothetical stock price incorrect by 8%.

I’m assuming here but I’m guessing you’ve need read a financial report, never done a dcf, have no idea how to model an investment and don’t know what PE ratios actually means.

I mean, I did allude to the fact that I think you might be an idiot before, and since you said that you read everything I wrote, I’ll just leave it at that. You’re not helping your case by being so hilariously wrong here.

Hey do me a favor let me know where I said Tesla was properly valued?

Are you slow, or something? This entire thread started because you were whining about people being hurt by Tesla losing money. Then, when I pointed out that it’s a bloated piece of shit and cited a valuation that was in the right ballpark, you said: “I don’t think you understand how valuations work”.

So, were you lying then, or are you lying now as you’re pretending that you agreed with me the entire time that Tesla is overvalued?

I don’t think you understand how valuations work.

My guy. Jesus. Just stop. Please don’t tell me that you think that Tesla, a car company with a bit more than a third of the global assets of Ford, and with less than half their yearly sales, should have a market cap 18 times higher than them. You’re embarrassing yourself.

Tesla’s valuation, in a rational market, would (like most other stocks) be in line with their industry. You take the assets, subtract the liabilities, and multiply by an industry-specific value to represent their potential for long-term growth. For Ford, that value (PE ratio) is 6.90. For GMC, it’s 7.73. Since Tesla has far fewer global assets than Ford and GMC (~$122 bn for TSLA, $285 bn for F, and $280 bn for GMC), it would be generous to give them a PE ratio of 7, even with them being involved in industries other than auto manufacturing. Let’s say 6.5 would be a reasonable PE.

6.5 times their $7 bn in earnings in 2024 would be a market cap of $45.5 bn, which is almost 16 times lower than their market cap in December of last year.

By any rational metric, TSLA is a bloated piece of shit. The fact that you think otherwise either means that you don’t know what you’re doing, or you’re an idiot.