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  • Sami@lemmy.ziptoPolitical Memes@lemmy.worldJust a reminder
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    8 months ago

    Every time you smear anyone who is completely opposed to an ethnostate committing genocide as antisemitic you are equating being Jewish to supporting the actions of the state of the Israel which is both antisemitic in itself and actively harmful to Jewish people globally.




  • A crucial part of warfighting? They are building a port purportedly to feed the people that their closest ally is deliberately starving by denying aid that Israelis have engineered to be necessary for their subsistence.

    Do you think the ships will not be docking in Israel and that nothing will be transported by land through crossings? The same crossing that Israel uses to move their armed forces, weaponry and supplies through on a daily basis. Somehow those crossings will be completely off limits for the same US military that helps Israel coordinate a lot of their military operations and logistics.

    I don’t understand how you can fail to see the absurdity of this situation. It’s been 7 weeks since they announced their plans and so far no construction has begun and a ship has had to return to the US due to a fire. Even if they do get something built, there will still be the need to operate and deliver the aid from the pier to the interior of the enclave with… trucks.










  • Both of those groups do represent a sizeable portion of their respective people but both people remain fractured without getting into the distinction between a people and an officially recognized country.

    Unless you’re saying that Hamas is the representative of the Gazan people and so that makes all of Gaza responsible for the attack on Israel?

    Hamas is the current representation of the Palestinian armed resistance. Palestinian resistance was not always violent and was not always led by religious fundamentalists. Take your above sentence to its logical conclusion, let’s say that they are fully representative then what? Are all the Gazan civilians also terrorist supporters/sympathizers too?

    My point is that designating movements that seek to overthrow regimes or fight against occupation purely as terrorists ignores actual motivations of these groups and the people they represent politically (regardless of how much public support they actually have).

    You can choose to believe that Palestinians and Yemenis take up arms to spread fear and kill for the sake of their religious beliefs/hatred or because of their inherent nature or some other reasoning, or you can offer the same intellectual charity that you offer Israeli people who support current and previous regimes and acts of unimaginable brutality.

    Both those groups hold horribly regressive ideologies but the reason that they exist cannot be reduced to just terrorism no matter how convenient it may be ideologically. Attacks on civilians on Oct 7 are not justified but resistance groups have a right to resist occupation with force under international law. The Houthis are the de facto authority in Yemen and despite not having international recognition are taking actions that could be justified under the obligation of signatories to the genocide convention.

    You might disagree with either of these framings and rightly so as matters of international law are complex but you have to at the very least offer the same charitability in trying to analyze the underlying motivations even if the groups representing these actions are reprehensible.







  • You portray aggressors as victims

    Incredibly ironic that you frame militants who hide in tunnels because that’s the only way they can avoid being wiped out as a legitimate existential threat to the 19th most powerful military of the world.

    They go to beach and have houses so everything is fine. Disgusting framing once again. I’m sure people of the Warsaw ghetto also had a couple of nice spots as well. They’ve both had movement limited and caloric intake rationed and access to clean water limited as well. If you don’t like the designation then bring it up with scholars of the subject who believe it to be the case.

    I’m not saying the Israeli state does not exist. I’m saying it is the only state that exists at the moment. Killings having happened before the expulsion of ~70% of the population from their homes does not justify the perpetual subjugation of a people. Those that had emigrated to mandate Palestine owned a small fraction of land at the time of the expulsion as you know (and the percentage itself is irrelevant as that does not give them the right to claim more land through violence).

    Hamas had virtually less than 2% support around 40 years after the nakba and it’s gained support consistently at junctions where Palestinians felt that they had no other means of achieving self-determination than through violence as a sovereign Palestine state was not intended to be allowed from the very start by the Zionist project as you can tell from the very first letters that frame them as the non-Jewish population as if they were a tiny minority. That is not to justify any killing of civilians or explain away the actions of Hamas. I hate islamists as much as you do (but I’m consistent with extending my hatred to judeo and christo facists as well). Hamas’ original charter was written by 5 people at a time when they did not have much popular support and was since revised in 2017 to remove mentions of being against jews and replace it with zionists instead (again not to say that they are “moderates” but for accuracy).

    You talk about a miniscule GDP but why do you think that is the case? Why do you think they do not have the means of improving their conditions? Please don’t say water pipes into rockets because that’s also factually incorrect (they were pipes that were not in use). Israel has prevent action that would expand water access and has overdrawn from the aquifer that provides clean water to Gaza. The list of such actions goes on and on.

    And lastly your wishes that the perpetrators are brought to justice are unfortunately pointless as long as occupation persists. I wish for occupation to end for the sake of Palestinians but also for the sake Israelis and hope you eventually reconsider your position.


  • “Unprovoked”. They are literally locked into that plot of land. Some might say there’s a concentration of them there. They are not 2 separate sovereign states at war but an occupied people within one state that is actively hostile towards them. A “government” which does not control the border, air or port is symbolic at best. 200+ civilians were killed in the west bank in 2023 prior to october 7th but that’s not violent terrorism in your eyes is it?