Ethnostate refers to them explicitly having written in their constitution that they are a state for ethnic Jews. Any civilized country has a constitution that grants human rights to ebery human and certain civil rights based on citizenship. Israel explicitly is designed as an ethnic supremacy apartheid state.

I strongly recommend you to see the video i have linked. The maker is a former anti-theist who has learned how hateful and discriminatory this kind of thinking was and how prominent proponents of this thinking went on to apply the same attacks on “wokeness” and are now part of the Trump side of US politics.

If you cannot think of religious people as normal people, whose characters and life situations cover the entire spectrum of human life, that is problematic. Referring to people as “victims” because they dont share the same convictions as you do, is marginalizing them and a convienent escape as you don’t have to intellectually engage with their position. In such “Anti-Theists” fall into the same pitfalls they accuse religious people off, by not only declaring their own convictions as the ultimate truth, but marginalizing everyone who does not share the same convictions.

And that is where “Anti-Theism” leads to “Anti-Wokeness” for many prominent proponents of it. Please watch the video, as it explains that much better and in detail.

I’ve met a scholar who joked that these days you are called a Hafiz, if you memorize the entire Quran. During history many scholars referred to as Hafiz also memorized a hundred thousand Hadith (reports about the life of the Prophet Mohamed sas) or more.

It is really crazy how strong many peoples convictions about Islam are, with how little they usually now about Islam outside of the hate filled propaganda they have been fed for the past decades in many western countries.

In my experience, these benign people are one tragedy away from metastasizing into the malignant religious type.

This kind of thinking and language is also used by a variety of “Anti-Theists” talking about the “Woke mind virus” and working together with current US fascism.

Talking about people as “diseases” is a pretty good indicator of Fascist ideology and you might be more entangled by it than you think.

Sure. So in Islam we believe that God and the creation are seperate. All Prophets (peace be upon them) are humans, who have been given prophethood for their virtuous character. Any powers outside the realm of human capacities were granted by God to aid their mission, but it wasn’t their inherent powers.

For a longer read on this from an Islamic perspective i found this article: https://www.reviewofreligions.org/27744/jesus-son-of-god-historical-context-long-read/

As for the development of the Christian idea that Jesus would be the son of God. This is a Greek/Roman idea that was pushed to dominance around the fourth century. Notable is the Council of Nicae, where it was agreed that the concept of Trinity (with Jesus as son of God and some abstract holy spirit) should be the used. As for the reason why, it is likely that the Trinity was chosen to make Christianity more palatable to Polytheists, despite the rejection of polytheism and embrace of monotheism being fundamental to the Abrahamic religions. This is also why the concept is strongly rejected by Jews and Muslims. However also Nontrinitarian Christians exist to this day.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea#Outcomes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nontrinitarian#History

Jesus also didn’t proclaim himself to be the literal son of God, nor a part of God. That was invented by the churches some 300 years later. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea

Both Judaism and Christianity had their scriptures altered over time, serving political goals of the scholar’s class. This is why Islam puts such a strong focus preserving the Quran exactly as it was revealed.

Mixing bigotry against religious people with classism and a sprinkle of racism does not make it rational. There is plenty of religious people who are neither oppressed or poor, nor do they use their religion for oppression of other people.

Religion is not necessarily the same as religious institutions. Christianity is quite an outlier with its heavy centralization in the case of Catholicism, but there is many denominations of Christianity that are not adhering to a centralized institution.

The state does exist. The state is inherently built on crimes. Saying this state must cease to exist does not mean that the people should cease to exist.

Again taking Nazi Germany as an example. The German Reich ceased to exist. There is no Führer, no Reichschancellor, Reichsgovernment… Incidently there is a movement called “Reichsbürger” (citizens of the Reich) that proclaim the Federal Republic of Germany is a company and not a sovereign nation, so instead they claim the Reich to still exist. But it does not.

There was no genocide against Germans to make the Reich cease to exist and while there were ample use of strategies that by todays standards are war crimes against the Reich, the responsibility for starting the war laid with the Germans.

If we apply this to the state of Israel. Israel started to ethnically cleanse the area. Israel is inherently an Apartheid regime and the current state would never obey by international law, end the illegal occupation, give back stolen land, recompense the victims, punish the criminals and give equal rights to Palestinians living inside the internationally recognized borders of the state of Israel. The Israeli constitution itself says that Israel is a Jewish ethnostate, thus by the constitution Israel is a racist and criminal state in violation of international law.

You cannot reform this state like you couldn’t reform the German Reich. The state and all of its institutions need to be rebuild from the ground up. And then in a way that grants equal rights and justice for all living between the river and the sea.

Where do you expect the resistance leaders to come from?

From the state resistance leadership school, with the public resistance leadership grant? If you dont form a resistance you cannot create resistance leaders

They will do this either way.

There is no bargaining with these people. They will not not escalate from their side. By not escalating from your side you only encourage their escalation as they face no repercussions.

Exactly, you need armed protest.

Organize armed protests. Connect in your neighborhood, so if this shit goes down, and it will start going down in your neighborhood soon enough, people can show up, free the victim and bog down the attackers.

Germany does not have the right to exist. The German people have a right to self determination, like any people in the world does. This right is not tied to any specific state.

It is also completely absurd to define such rights to a specific state. Any specific state needs a specific government, a specific territory and a specific people. The only thing that carried over from the Nazi era was the people. A different government was formed on a very different territory. If you claim “Germany has a right to exist” in connection with the Nazi Reich, that Germany would have to include large swaths of what is todays Poland and Czech Republic.

Meanwhile there was no Israel in 1947. There was no Israeli people in 1947. The entire people is a construct, that only started to become a reality through 80 years of ethnic cleansing and genocide against the Palestinian people. Now that they are a people is a reality. That this people thus has the right to form a fascist state and deny the rights to the people who they have uprooted is nonsense.

If the US was to invade Canada, drive the Canadians north of the arctic circle and then claim this is US-Canada now because the filled it with millions of their own settlers, that does not create a “right to exist” for US-Canada.

Saddam quickly went from ruling by popular support to ruling by scaring the shit out of any opposition.

Netanyahu and other Fascists in Israel still enjoy comfortable majority support in Israel. Even if people protest against Netanyahu, they are largely still in favor of ethnical cleansing and genocide against the Palestinians. Most people in Iraq didn’t need reeducation when Saddam was toppled. The vast majority of Israelis need a reeducation and be confronted with their crimes at large and have hundreds of thousands of their war criminals permanently locked away in order to cure the Fascism that has deep roots in their society now. It will take decades to safe them from who they have chosen to become.

Things feel weird, strange or unnatural because they go against instinctive feelings.

As for why they are more likely to go wrong it is quite simple. Two teenagers are more trouble than one teenager. Especially if they are in competition with each other. Jealousy is a key driver for violence and young men are the demographic generally most violent. These are things that you know subconsciously, as you have most likely experienced them yourself. As for negative experience with men and in particular men seeking sexual contact i think every women will be able to confirm danger and or having experienced abuse themselves. Now you have two rabbit-horny high on testosterone teenagers that have to “share” one teenage girl. This should cause an instinctive negative reaction by every parent.

As for studies which analyzed the situation where one men has multiple women concluded that these relationships negatively affect the women and their children psychologically.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8667458/

Now this of course is different compared to a situation where one women has multiple men. A situation which seems to be much less prevalent and i couldnt find studies on quickly. As to why they are much less prevalent, this gives reason for even more worry. There is reason to believe them to be less stable and likely end up with violence, where women on average a physically much less stronger than men.

Mir ist erst jetzt aufgefallen, dass @federalreverse@feddit.org reverse und nicht reserve ist…

Ist ein Metawitz bezogen auf die heutigen Debatte in diesem Faden https://feddit.org/post/9827307

Being worried about such a set up, especially with teenagers, who are emotionally and physically underdeveloped, where things going wrong can have life long consequences (STDs, unwanted pregnancy, trauma from emotional/physical/sexual abuse), it is perfectly reasonable to be worried, without it having anything to do with puritanism or christian fascism. These consequences are already possible with a monogamous relationship and get more likely with poly relationships.

It should be the parental instinct to be worried about their teenagers getting romantically active and to watch out for their children, without directly preventing them from doing thing or forcing them into hiding. It is only logical that this instinct gets more worried if not one but two, or even more people that could be a threat to their child are involved.

Increased exposure to STDs,
increased risk of emotional abuse (most grown adults fail with poly relations),
increased risk of physical abuse, especially with young men being hot headed and often hierarchy minded
increased risk of sexual abuse, “you are already dating two guys, why dont you want a threesome/gangbang, dont act like this” risk of pregnancy with denial by both potential fathers, or dispute about who takes the father role
increased risk to develop commitment issues (those are already prevalent enough in our times)

None of these have to manifest, but it is perfectly reasonable for a parent to have an instant gut feeling against this.