Are you suggesting that the sighting was a drone, even though it was described as several hundred feet long? And the article doesn’t suggest anyone is conspiring about UFOs. It’s just a report of a sighting.

I imagine it’s an autocorrect from missing a space in “boy scout trick”. The user was responding to a lot of comments, so I think an error or two is fair.

NUFORC Report

Additional reporting from Denver Gazette.

Reddit user Lemonator8976 claims to be the witness that reported the sighting and provided some additional details.

The follow up article explains it, but basically we were working. We were loading semis full of expensive concert equipment and then one guy noticed it and pointed it out. We all looked at it and then one guy shined his flashlight on it. Then the thing tipped, moved slowly to the east and disappeared. By the time we realized what was really happening it was gone. 30 seconds max.

A big misconception is that this thing was way up in the sky. It wasn’t. It was hovering over the hill not very high off the ground. It was just off the horizon, not way up above our heads. An old boycott trick is to hold your hand up to the horizon to see how many hand lengths you have left before the sun sets. This thing was just two fingers above the horizon.

Couldn’t see any other features. It was too far away and it was matte black. Like the blackest black you’ve ever seen. The black blended in with the night sky so well, we probably wouldn’t have seen it if it didn’t have its lights on.

The lights were around the edge rim of the disc. They were evenly spaced apart and you could see them curve around the to backside of the disc.

I was not wearing my glasses and I have an astigmatism, so I could not make out the windows. All I could see was the disc and the lights going around it. It was my a couple of my coworkers who said they could see the windows. They said it was like a grid that was 3 squares high several dozen squares long all the way around the craft. The thing was a couple blocks long, hence why I described it as a “3 story office building in the sky”. It really was that big.

That’s a good possibility. It didn’t quite sound like a hawk, but I’m not too familiar with falcons.

I’ve had some bird of prey around my apartment in Brooklyn that keeps eluding me. I’ll hear it from time to time, but never quite know where it is.

I caught a glimpse of it once out of the corner of my eye. I saw a blur as something swooped down to snag a pigeon off my window sill. It was courteous enough to return half of the bird to my fire escape. That was fun to dispose of.

I saw my share of hawks growing up in Florida, but it’s still cool seeing and hearing them around the city.

Not too surprising. There seems to be a global effort now to at least monitor for UAP. Back in March AARO announced their compact UAP detection system, Gremlin, with suggestions of offering to other countries. While some UAP objects are later identified as prosaic, the focus of this system and these discussions are clearly focused on the truly anomalous events.

It’s also important to note that there has already been collaborative effort between the US and Canada since at least the sightings over North America back in February 2023. Outside of the separate incident with the spy balloon, the objects in February remain considered UAP.

The UAP discussion does seem to be gaining some steam, even if AARO is dismissing the subject along the way. Hopefully we start seeing more governments publicly embracing the topic.

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Ryan Graves has started back up his Substack account, starting with his “Reflections” and more recently highlights of his visit to the McMenamins UFO Festvial. For those unfamiliar, Graves testified alongside David Grusch and David Fravor in the 2023 congressional hearing on UAP. He also established Americans for Safe Aerospace to provide a resource for pilots to report sightings and has worked to break the stigma of discussing UAP.

As for the McMenamins UFO Festival, it sounds like quite the experience. I’m always interested in the psychological and sociological aspects of the phenomenon, so I really hope to be able to attend a UFO festival one day. I would love to hear people’s experiences, beliefs, and what draws them to engage the topic.

Lemmy definitely has some weird algorithms. These posts do hit All, but I’m not sure what dictates how they’re listed in Hot or Active. I’ve had posts receiving downvotes within minutes of posting, so there seem to be a lot of people catching new posts.

Personally, I don’t care about the voting of my posts. Though I hate the idea of posts getting buried just because people don’t like the topic or source.

I would like to see the topic brought up with candidates, though the questions would need to be presented in a way to limit ridicule. I think the best route would be framing the questions around security and lack of transparency in the government. The historical and recent UAP sightings near nuclear facilities and military locations would be a good focus to show that there is a long standing security concern that isn’t getting properly addressed.

The downvotes are always strange to me. I see my share of posts get downvoted for no clear reason. Fox does make some people instinctively downvote, so maybe that’s part of the reason.

I wish people would at least engage the comments to voice their opinions. And, if the UAP topic isn’t something certain people want to see in their feeds then they should block the community instead of downvoting the posts. Lemmy is still small and when people downvote posts without discussing why then they’re just going to stifle Lemmy’s growth.

To start, the post is about a large range of proposed origin of UAP. Why did you latch onto extraterrestrial when it encompasses a small fraction of suggestions of what non-human intelligence could be?

You then make the assumption that they are from another planet that would require FTL travel and that they are concerned about being seen.

Did you look at this post and have you listened to Karl Nell’s discussions? It seems that you came in here to make an argument without understanding what you were arguing against.

I’m not stating that Nell is right in his claims, but please at least address the claims he’s made.

Since the Schumer amendment didn’t pass in full, there could be some deviation to the timeline. However, some essential elements of the amendment will get the ball rolling.

By October of this year, all UAP related government documents should be provided to the National Archives. That means we should be seeing non-classified documents and redacted classified documents being made public this year. Though, one of the items stripped from the amendment was the committee needed to review the classified documents and ensure all documents are provided to the archives. However, there is potential for that to be added in any of the upcoming National Defense Authorization Acts.

This is a great breakdown of potential origins. It’s important to note that the phenomenon is broad and will encompasses multiple origins on this chart.

For anyone that wants more info on Colonel Karl Nell’s statements, there is the SOL foundation presentation this slide came from and Nell’s discussion at SALT where he stated “There’s zero doubt” that non-human intelligence has been interacting with humanity.

Regarding religious acceptance, I’ve always felt that the idea of extraterrestrial or non-human intelligence would mesh well with the major religions. I think a lot off devout people would morph the idea of non-human intelligence to match that of angels or messengers. You can already get hints of that from some of the Republicans pushing for disclosure. Whether or not they’re right in their interpretation, the overall concept of NHI would be accepted by a lot of people.

The biggest part of a controlled disclosure is preventing political conflicts and keeping the economy stable. If there has been decades of UAP/NHI recovery and research, then it could create tension within and amongst countries. We’re always seeing tension grow between Congress and the DoD over the issue and public disclosure would just fuel distrust.

Any reveal of research and the companies involved could make for major fluctuations in the stock market. On top of that, I’d imagine there would be an onslaught of lawsuits with those companies to make research and patents public.

I wouldn’t expect a basic disclosure to be catastrophic to the public, but it would be to the government and contractors. The hold up at this point is likely those involved trying to cover their asses to limit the consequences for themselves.

Christopher Mellon has released snippets of a Signal exchange with an unknown individual who claims knowledge of “an alleged U.S. alien technology recovery and exploitation program”. This is following the FOIA release of a Signal exchange between Mellon and then AARO head, Sean Kirkpatrick over David Grusch. While this new information is otherwise unsubstantiated to the public, Mellon’s record speaks volumes for his trust in the individual’s claims. This shouldn’t serve as direct proof of the existence of these programs, but instead proof that there is a systemic issue within the government of concealment and mistrust which requires investigation. If the allegations are true, then they should be unearthed in the process of obtaining transparency.

I try not to speculate too much when so much is kept from the public, but AARO really is starting to sound like a honey pot. It took close to a year to get their site up to allow reporting, so a lot of the initial investigation was into reports from individuals like Grusch. It seems they were going for people that were going public or filing complaints. If they could then claim participants improperly divulged classified info to them then they could use it as leverage to silence them.

In any case, it’s clear that Kirkpatrick was at best unprofessional in the handling of his role. I tried to give him a chance, but I haven’t seen a single positive come from his work with AARO. Even after leaving, he’s still acting as an unofficial spokesman to bash the UAP community.

My bet is the warning that the public can’t handle it is more a fear tactic to deter investigation. Assuming the speculation of compartmentalized programs contracted with private companies, there is a lot of financial motives along with potential illegal activity. The groups involved wouldn’t want the history of how they’ve operated over the years to come to light. And, most importantly, they want to maintain control over any potential knowledge or technology obtained. We’re talking about potential of 70+ years of information withheld from the public and being used by private companies for their own gains.

There would also be some level of change of public perception along the lines of what you suggest, but I think it’d start with focus on the government and the individual companies involved. I doubt there would be a lot of immediate shifts in the public perception. There will always be a large portion of the population that would ignore or deny any disclosure, so even the most jarring disclosure would take time to ingest.

I think it’s fair to call out bad faith politics, but the current UAP push is bipartisan. I don’t care for any of his political stances outside what he’s aided with for UAP disclosure, but he’s helped a lot with bringing the topic to light.

I find it interesting that you think the topic is relevant enough to the public that this is the only reason he’s engaged. Do you believe the time he’s invested in this will get more people to vote for him? Personally, I would never vote for someone based on their stance on UAP, nor do I think it’d sway me if I was on the fence.

The uNHIdden White Paper makes clear that people who have Exceptional Experiences have the ‘double whammy’ of, first, having an unusual experience that may be frightening, and then, secondly, being disbelieved and stigmatised by their friends, family and potentially their own doctor.

I’ve always been curious about how UAP experiences shape mental health treatment and whether an individual even seeks care. Simply discussing the topic without judgement can be difficult, let alone speaking about one’s own experiences. Combined with remaining stigmas about personal mental healthcare, it must be difficult for those struggling to make sense of an otherwise unexplainable experience. Hopefully groups like uNHIdden can help break some of these stigmas.

Link to the paper: https://www.unhidden.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/uNHIdden-White-Paper-web.pdf