All the people saying mandatory voting is bad are misinformed. It is essential for democracy, and should be applied everywhere.
Australia has mandatory voter turnout, but you do not need to submit a vote. You just need to show up on polling day.
Everyone has political interests and needs to be politically represented, but some people are too tired after work to take themselves to the polling centre. Others are incarcerated. If anything, those people are more in need of political representatives.
American conservatives spend billions trying to prevent poor overworked people from reaching polling places or exercising their right to vote. Mandatory voting prevents that.
Make no mistake, Australian democracy is healtheir than whatever clusterfuck in going on in the US.
Not only that, but Australia’s actual ballot is leagues better, too. Ranked ballots are a great way to weaken (unfortunately not eliminate) the two party system, which is unfortunately also the reason the United States will never see anything like it. (At least not in the foreseeable future.)
Yeah we do have single member seats in the lower house though which is a completely broken system.
Most of Europe recognises that, our frienemies across the ditch recognise that.
Consensus seeking and coalitions are much more representative forms of government than single member winner takes all seats.
Whether mandatory voting is bad or not, certainly it’s way better than the American situation, where one particular party’s strategy to win elections is to discourage and actively prevent people from voting. In Australia, every political party seeks to win by collecting votes.
Yeah I hate the fact that one party’s strategy is actively invalidating votes for one of the candidates.
I don’t pay too much attention to Australian politics, but whenever I see headlines it’s always something like “MP literally destroying the barrier reef with his own bare hands” or “Corruption whistleblower sentenced to one thousand years in jail”
Things like “MP approves funding for new hospital” don’t make headlines. Even moreso for any world headlines to rise above the din of American politics it usually has to be something pretty outrageous.
Australia has mandatory voter turnout, but you do not need to submit a vote. You just need to show up on polling day.
So just to clear up a technical misconception here - the wording in the Electoral Act is quite clear. All enrolled electors are legally required to vote. It’s only a consequence of the secret ballot that makes this provision unenforceable, so someone can turn up and get their name marked off while not submitting a vote without facing any consequences, but it is technically an illegal act.
If the AEC were to come up with some way to determine that you didn’t vote without betraying that secret ballot, they would be within their rights to issue a you a fine.
When you go to vote they check you off on either a physical or digital list - so they can work out who didn’t vote. What they can’t work out is whether you submitted a legit ballot
I’m using ‘didn’t vote’ to include submitting an empty ballot, which for the purposes of the Electoral Act, is the same thing.
If a person is too tired to vote that means resting is more important to them than voting. Forcing that person to vote is invalidating their own prioritization.
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Found this online:
According to the Australian Electoral Commission, the decline in voter turnout was the driving force behind the introduction of mandatory voting. It said that voter turnout dropped from 71 per cent in the 1919 election to less than 60 per cent in the 1922 elections.
In order to address the problem, a private member’s bill to amend the Electoral Act was introduced in the Senate in 1924. At the time, it was only the third private member’s bill to be passed into law since 1901.
As a result of the law, the voter turnout at the 1925 election rose to over 91 per cent.
Gradually, states across the country introduced compulsory voting starting from Victoria in 1926, New South Wales and Tasmania in 1928, Western Australia in 1936 and South Australia in 1942.
When enrollment and voting at federal elections was introduced for Australian Aborigines in 1949 it was voluntary, and continued to be so until 1984 when enrollment and voting became compulsory for all eligible electors.
Because it’s a terrible idea? Elections are already heavily weighted towards name recognition. What are people who can’t even be bothered to go out to vote going to offer to the process?
That’s true, you can require them to vote, but you can’t require them to be informed.
Bad news though. Almost none of today’s voters are properly informed either.
That’s a very good argument.
I’m pretty sure in Australia you can just turn in a blank ballot. But yeah, compulsory voting is kind of odd.
It’s the simplest solution to fight voter disenfranchisement. It stops parties from trying to play that particular stupid game.
We get the option to vote by mail for free weeks in advance.
You don’t even have to get off your fat arse.
It forces politics to the centre. Parties put a huge amount of effort into ‘bringing out the vote’, and do things to appeal to the fringe which is how you get characters like Trump finding success. When this isn’t a concern, parties can focus on policies that appeal to the majority of people rather than fringe groups that they can use to guarantee voter turnout.
The alternative is voter suppression, which leads to unequal access. Also, given that more passionate individuals are gonna seek out a ballot vs. others, the result is going to be skewed in favor of those passionate people regardless of their understanding of reality or truthfullness.
In order words, why is voting mandatory in Australia, but not UK, US, Canada or New Zealand?
The idea gets raised periodically here, especially since the huge drop in turnout starting in 1997.
There’s a Research Briefing on it in the Commons Library.
I haven’t read it but it’s a terrible idea. Just another way for the parties to avoid having to offer anything worth voting for.
Not really. Plus we have alot more independents/minor parties due to our preferential voting system that people can vote for. What it does is forces people to are more about politics and policy
I think it forces a lot of idiots to just pick a box when they aren’t informed on politics at all. Probably skews the numbers a bit tbh.
Idiots are citizens too unfortunately, and their opinions matter. There are no fines for submitting an invalid vote (or if they exist they aren’t enforceable due to the anonymity of the ballot)
Or they get fined if they can’t get to a polling booth due to disability and poor disability access, or circumstances.
There are allowances for that
I haven’t read it but it’s a terrible idea.
“Yeah sure I don’t know what I’m talking about, but here’s my strong opinion anyways”
I haven’t read this specific report, that doesn’t mean I’m making shit up on the spot.
No one has yet explained why Australia has a far-right party called Liberal and a centre-right party called Labor. Compulsory voting is why, IMO.
Maybe it should be mandatory in the US. It would make voter suppression harder, if not impossible.
Follow-up question: If voting is mandatory, but you don’t want to vote for any of the parties, what are you expected to do?
Because FREEDOM!
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ETA: Fires guns “YEEHAW!”
FYI: eagles don’t really scream. That fake scream from movies/tv, etc. is from a red tailed hawk.
I know, but I had to be as stereotypical as possible.
Not enough guns and yeehaw noises. 3 out of 10.
Valid criticism.
That response loses you another point. Should’ve threatened to bring in the cavalry!
