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Like a lot of fascism, it makes perfect sense if you understand the code words. “Inserting politics” or “getting political” means expressing a disallowed opinion that should be silenced. You’ll never hear this kind of language used about the approved opinions, only the to-be-silenced ones.
Exactly this.
Kneeling for the anthem is inserting politics into sports, playing the anthem before the game? Not at all inserting politics into sports.
Pride night? Not allowed. First responder (read: cop) Night? Totally cool.
“I stand for the flag. I kneel for the cross.” –A phrase uttered only by people who have never once knelt in front of a cross, ever.
I’ve also noticed a direct correlation between people who wave around “Blue Lives Matter” flags and people who think police officers should essentially be paid poverty level wages. They’re often the same group of people. And yes, the irony is completely lost on them.
Now I have to tell a story. And this actually happened. Eons ago, I got a wild hair and decided to run for my local city council. At that time, the city was pushing a small tax increase to fund raises for the police and fire departments, where the average salary was like $9/hr for a patrolman. It was not a great wage even then. I literally had people with “thin blue line” bumper stickers yelling at me because “I make $9 an hour. Why should they be paid better than me?” I quickly learned that there is a large – or larger than I would have expected – percentage of the population that supports the “police” as a concept as long as it means they get to feel morally superior. When it comes to actually supporting the people who are the police, they don’t give two shits.
It’s possible to think that police, firefighters, and other public servants in hazardous occupations should be compensated well AND be held to high moral and ethical standards. Mind blowing. I know.
If first responder night was just fire department and EMT itd be infinitely better, fun fact a bar in my city banned that type of event since the fire chief nearly got into a fight with the police chief.
It’s the rage against the machine all over again. Shows how truly dumb people are. Like do they even listen to the lyrics?
I doubt they’re even real people. This sniffs of a Russian campaign.
The line between russian propagandists and MAGA idiots is indistinguishable.
Republicans are that stupid though so I can see some being real.
Yea they get caught up in it and start playing along
It’s the flat earth movement all over again. The flat earth thing started as a joke on 4chan. Like “wouldn’t it all be funny if we took something blatantly false and pretended to believe in it?” Then the idiots caught a whiff of it, mistook it for people being serious, then joined in unironically. At that point, 4chan took a step back and laughed, because what else can you do at that point? The idiocy fission reaction was self-sustaining at that point, so 4chan just let go of the reins and watched to see where it would go.
Nah, I’ve got a family member who voted for trump and loves RatM. They honestly think the lyrics support conservative ideals, and advocate for violence against people who would change the country from the “good ol’ days.”
They just like the idea of killing in the name of. Sounds like a hoot.
I hope you don’t mind Unix systems, cuz you should avoid Windows after a statement like that.
I’m such a klutz!
Whoopsie-doodle!
- No one, move along Komrade
I die a little inside every time someone gets offended by Money For Nothing.
But he’s wearing an EAR RING AND MAKE UP!!!
That’s his own hair, for Christ sakes!!!
That ain’t workin’. That’s the way you do it.
“Fuck off, I’m not doing it”
something like that isn’t it?
“what did you think they were raging against? The dishwasher?”
For context, original lyrics:
Don’t wanna be an American idiot
Don’t want a nation under the new media
And can you hear the sound of hysteria?
The subliminal mind fuck AmericaWelcome to a new kind of tension
All across the alienation
Where everything isn’t meant to be okay
Television dreams of tomorrow
We’re not the ones who’re meant to follow
For that’s enough to argueWell maybe I’m the faggot America
I’m not a part of a redneck agenda
Now everybody do the propaganda
And sing along to the age of paranoiaWelcome to a new kind of tension
All across the alienation
Where everything isn’t meant to be okay
Television dreams of tomorrow
We’re not the ones who’re meant to follow
For that’s enough to argueDon’t want to be an American idiot
One nation controlled by the media
Information age of hysteria
It’s calling out to idiot AmericaWelcome to a new kind of tension
All across the alienation
Where everything isn’t meant to be okay
Television dreams of tomorrow
We’re not the ones who’re meant to follow
For that’s enough to argueSuper tame.
In the New Year’s show, they changed “a redneck agenda” to “the MAGA agenda”. Okay, little bit more explicitly partisan, but basically the same thing.
And yet, as a leftist redneck, I whole heartedly approve of the change.
Feel a little more seen, even if it doesn’t mean anything.
“a redneck agenda” to “the MAGA agenda”
If MAGA as a name for these people had existed then, they would have used it. They’re the same people.
Hashtagnotallrednecks.
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It’s tame by today’s standards but at the time it got quite a few people in a tizzy
Well that change in lyrics certainly got the point across. 😂
I think part of the problem (aside from people that don’t ever listen to the words in songs) is less that the song/green day is apolitical in their interpretation, but more that for a lot of people the word “politics” means partisan politics. Being explicitly about a party or one of their core issues is what makes something 𝓅𝑜𝓁𝒾𝓉𝒾𝒸𝒶𝓁 to them.
What is and is not political is defined by oppressors. Their crosses, punisher skulls, and blue lives matter stickers are not political. The atheist symbol, antifa arrows, and black lives matter stickers are political. A keffiyeh is a political statement, but an IDF shirt isn’t. “Political” functionally means “talking about your oppression or the oppression of others.”
JSYK, using special characters to write “political” like that doesn’t work with screen readers. Best case scenario it skips the word entirely, worst case it reads out the name of each special character individually.
Was f##got broadcast uncensored over the air?
Politics? In my Green Day?
It’s more likely than you think.
It’s funny - I agree with Green Day in most ways politically, but stopped listening after American Idiot because so much of their music was blatantly political. That’s what they were going for, it is CLEAR and OBVIOUS to anyone listening to their music, where they stand. I am all for it, I would just rather be escaping the world’s issues while listening to music :)
Dude, they’re a punk band, or at least they were. That’s literally the point of the genre
I listen to punk because of the politics lol. Rage against the machine, green day, the offspring, etc. Love them all
Army of Zombies by Lars Frederickson and The Bastard.
I quit listening to Green Day because it was impossible to escape When September Ends. Couldn’t go out in public without hearing it somewhere.
I’ve never been more sure that someone wasn’t around in 1994.
Radio stations were practically airing Dookie on a loop.
I was in college. The mid-90s are a total blur to me.
If you remember the mid-90s you weren’t there.
Legit makes me cry each time I hear it. I’ll probably listen to it when I get home today.
Honestly, 21 Guns and Boulevard of Broken Dreams were their only good songs with some actual depth. Everything else I consider cringe today.
All art is political
What was baby shark speaking to politically? “What does the fox say” about interest rates?
I get what you mean, it’s just funny to apply that to obvious nonsense music lol
Since no one really responded with a serious answer I’ll go ahead and chime in.
The art itself my not carry a poignant message about our political world, but it exists in a political world and thus is political in nature.
It could be argued that everyone has an obligation to honestly and intellectually engage with the political nature of our world. And by not doing this an artist is choosing to ingore the political nature of their own reality
Choosing to “not be political” is itself a political stance. Regardless of whether or not it was a conscious one
(And yes, I know sometimes people just want to have fun. I’m not condemning fun. Just giving a serious response to the silly extreme example)
(Also, also there’s a whole 'nother can of worms if you want to talk about art as commodity)
Hey some nonsense songs have political undertones, for example chocolate rain.
Some stay dry while others feel the pain.
edit: Okay after reminding myself of the lyrics it’s actually a proletarian anthem and a banger
It’s funny to me…I didn’t say they were bad, I didn’t say I didn’t like them, I didn’t say anything except for that they clearly took their music in a more in your face, political direction. That’s fine, I support them making that choice. I get that punk is inherently political, and that most music has hints of it. When I started listening, when 1039 came out - I was too young to understand what the music was about. Then came kerplunk and dookie. Dookie has many songs that are just about boredom, wasting time, or girls. Same thing for Insomniac and Nimrod. You cannot argue that EVERY song on those albums was political, it’s just not true. They became a pop-punk alternative band. That’s great, they still make great music, I just choose other styles and genres. Downvotes aren’t hurting me, but it seems excessive for sharing my thoughts.
For the record, I was a ride or die fan in the 90’s. 5 shows, one of them I waited by the outdoor stage for 3 hours to get a good spot. I had my art featured on the earliest version of their website, back in the AOL days. I still love the music I grew up with. Bands style, peoples preferences change…I just don’t want to think about the broken world when I listen to music anymore.
Maybe punk just isn’t your thing
Maybe conservatives just take a sharpie and put a comma on the album cover so it says “American, Idiot” as in they are yelling at someone that they are American and that they should have known by their ignorant angry voice.
American Idiot was already political and already critical of the Republicans. I guess all these American idiots didn’t know the lyrics before?
"He’s the one
who likes all our pretty songs
and he likes to sing along
and he likes to shoot his gun
but he knows not what it means"
It’s like they interpret music as just a noise that sounds appealing with no meaning.
That’s how they interpret all art.
Fuck you I won’t do what you tell me!
No idea on the rest of the lyrics, something about forces and crosses. I wasn’t really listening. I like crosses! Woo, Trump!
I guess this is the best place for this comment: about two years back my friend (who is a hardcore conservative, just not trump is God crazy and he doesn’t know about qanon), myself and two other guys (they’re all moderate or liberal) went to go see Rage Against The Machine for like the first time in 20 years. During one of the songs where he raps about humans living shitty lives because they can get ahead, there were posters all over saving things like "save the kids ". “feed the children”.
My conservative buddy looked at me during the time the posters were up and was he like "WTF is this shit?*
Incredible that they can just keep coming up with shit like this day after day, indefinitely. Truly astonishing
That X is pronounced “sh” right?
Found the 15th century Spaniard
I was thinking “fr”…
Punks and politics are like peas and carrots.
We found him, its the American Idiot!
You xweet is why.
