I want others to return their carts so I expect the same from myself. Unironically, we live in a society, so that means cooperation for things to run smoothly
This is Contractualism. If anyone wants to learn more about this moral philosophy, you can read Scanlon’s What We Owe to Each Other, or for a better time, watch The Good Place.
The Good Place taught me that the solution to this problem is to let the cart run loose and kill the guy pulling the level.
More generally, this is the philosophy of deontology, or the study of duty/obligations if anyone is interested in seeing the whole eco system
BUt It’s soMEONe’s joB tO GeT tHE CARts, i’M jUST CReATING jObS For tHEm
The cart corral things were invented in my lifetime, before that we were expected to walk that shit all the way back into the store.
And don’t forget all the jobs you make at the auto body shops fixing damage from carts! And all the jobs at the shopping cart factories from having to replace broken carts!
You gain nothing, but you retain self-respect.
Its not often I get to enjoy the thought of being objectively better than THAT person
Wasn’t this a 4chan post about the cart being the ultimate litmus test for people in society?
Dang, did that emerge from 4chan? I thought it was from some psychologist or some shit like that
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The fuck? How many emergencies do you think people have immediately after exciting a store? The vast majority of people who don’t return their carts are just lazy.
Wow, you mean literally every single one of the hundreds of Walmart customers today had a life threatening accident, and had to leave their cart in the middle of the road, or absolutely anywhere other than the corral? Woah, that’s my bad for being judgemental!
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He doesn’t like to return his cart, that’s what
What’s the big issue?
He’s an idiot, that’s the issue.
You both are saying the same thing…
If you have time to pay for your groceries, wheel them out to the car and load them up, but you don’t also have the time to return the cart, it’s not an emergency. Either stop your shopping and hurry wherever you need to go asap or take the time to be a decent person.
It literally accounts for emergencies.
The shopping cart is the ultimate litmus test for whether a person is capable of self-governing.
To return the shopping cart is an easy, convenient task and one which we all recognize as the correct, appropriate thing to do. To return the shopping cart is objectively right. There are no situations other than dire emergencies in which a person is not able to return their cart. Simultaneously, it is not illegal to abandon your shopping cart. Therefore the shopping cart presents itself as the apex example of whether a person will do what is right without being forced to do it. No one will punish you for not returning the shopping cart, no one will fine you or kill you for not returning the shopping cart, you gain nothing by returning the shopping cart. You must return the shopping cart out of the goodness of your own heart. You must return the shopping cart because it is the right thing to do. Because it is correct.
A person who is unable to do this is no better than an animal, an absolute savage who can only be made to do what is right by threatening them with a law and the force that stands behind it.
The Shopping Cart is what determines whether a person is a good or bad member of society.
I started returning carts after seeing posts about this on that other site. It wasn’t that I didn’t care about being a good human in society, I just didn’t know it mattered and hadn’t thought about it. My mom taught me growing up to ensure that it wouldn’t roll away and hit anyone’s car and that’s as far as that topic ever went.
So I find it hard to blame people for not doing things like this, it takes time for society to grow and change. I think in many ways we are (and this is what has the right wing in a panic).
Now…what about people that back into parking spots when there are no “back in parking only” signs.
And what exactly is your concern about that?
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Must be a lot of emergencies at my Costco.
You have failed the test.
Uh oh, one of our big giant bold huge gigantic large names has deleted an opinion…
People really should be taught rhetoric in schools.
You said heads, they said no tails…
It would seem to me they don’t realize you are all describing the same coin. Yet they downvote based on their emotional response and demonstrate their lack of reading comprehension.
Sad and hilarious.
Justify not putting the cart back without the root reason being that you’re selfish (too lazy, in a hurry, not my job, cart return is too far away, etc). Go ahead, I’ll wait.
i got hit by a car while trying to return the cart and the medics forced me to go to the hospital despite my dying wish being for someone to return the cart
The cart is probably either damaged, or has your blood all over it, or both, so it’s in no condition to be used right now anyways. Thank you for at least trying to return it, I’ll spread the word about your GoFundMe (for either your bills or funeral).
don’t worry about me. just get the fund set up for the replacement cart. that’s all that matters
If it’s a nice day it gives the employee in charge of rounding up carts a chance to go outside and no longer be under the direct eye of management, and maybe even get to see a beautiful sunset in the evening.
When I worked at Whole Foods I loved when a cart was way in the outfield. I got some fresh air and I didn’t have to deal with angry customers.
I’ll give you this one, because your intentions are good. I will suggest, however, that not everyone who is collecting carts has the same outlook. This would be highly season- and weather-dependent as well.
I frequently collected carts in the summer heat and it always resulted in me being a damp sweaty mess for the rest of the workday.
You gain the knowledge that you didn’t make a retail worker’s day even shittier.
I’ve done cart balancing enough times to say it’s really not a big deal. I’d rather collect stray carts than distribute the ones sticking out over three parking lot lanes to emptier cart sheds. I also used to feel bad for staff etc, our manager did carts a lot, other stuff etc again, but when I really think about it, fuck supermarkets.
As far as being a nice person or whatever, I will hand over the cart to someone arriving as I’m leaving. I will not take their coin because I use a shim that cannot be retained by the lock to unlock the cart rather than a coin.
Return the cart and make sure they’re all nested with each other so the cart guy has an easier job
Return the cart and make sure they’re all nested with each other
so the cart guy has an easier jobbecause it’s satisfying.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who does this.
This maybe pick up a stray cart on the way too.
Yup. Or help somebody else out with their cart. Feels great.
I just bring them all the way back to the store, is this psychotic behaviour?
People complain about capitalism but there is never a loose cart in the aldi parking lot.
You do gain something though. By not contributing to the problem the overall likelihood that other people also don’t contribute increases because they see a cart put away instead of a herd of them roaming the parking lot. Same as being polite when you aren’t required to be.
Society exists because most people choose not to be assholes.
“Act only according to that maxim whereby you can at the same time will that it should become a universal law.” The categorical imperative, Immanuel Kant
Oh yeah smart guy? Then is it still a categorical imperative if returning the cart will somehow result in greater harm than good, say if the employees are paid based on the number of carts they retrieve from improper positions? If not, then what use are maxims if they cannot take into account the specifics of a situation? Are they just a matter of logical coherence, or can they be used for actual decision-making?
ANSWER THE QUESTION
I put the cart in the back of a random truck.
If they’re parked like an asshole taking up more than one space then I’d say it’s justified.
Yes, because that’s where they go.
Always. While everyone tries to park close to the entrance, I park close to the stall. I park in the same spot at my grocery store 90% of the time.
I get my 50 euro cents back
Is that half a euro?
I think it’s a milli-euro?
The shopping cart thing is no longer a good test of character. The whole idea is there’s no reward for doing it and no punishment for not doing it. Now that everyone knows that there’s a large contingent of the population who could be judging them for their actions, it’s not the same thing anymore. It’s more like a test of how a panopticon situation effects people.
Id like to run a test where we silently observe cart return behaviour on hidden camera, and compare return rates with when we station people outside the shops to stare at cart users who are loading their shopping into their cars
These things aren’t just tests of characters. They also generate character. It’s a feedback loop, and it’s okay if you do things with a known context of judgment, because just adhering to the rules grows your credit with society.
Carts go in the store, placing them in a cart return does nothing because an employee still had to go fetch them. If you actually cared you would walk the cart back into the store.
It’s okay. The store is happy to provide that service. The social contract part is about protecting everyone’s cars from rogue wind-sped carts
Yea I don’t care about cars, besides scuffed paint is just superficial it doesn’t affect the cars ability to provide transportation
Replace car with anything you own and ask yourself if you would like strangers to treat your belongings that way.
I dont give a shit about my car, it has plenty of dings scratches from carts and a piece of pvc that flew off a truck on the freeway, still does its job!
The car’s paint job is a status symbol. It represents a person’s having maintained control of their own shit for sufficient time to afford a shiny car. It’s artistic expression too, like clothing.
