Honestly, the insistence that Lemmy has better discussions than Reddit. Mostly even popular posts have too few comments to constitute any in depth discussion. I won’t be going back to Reddit but I miss the vibrancy.
This but about how almost everything about Lemmy is spun as either good, or better than reddit’s equivalent.
Like the other day I saw a post about how Lemmy’s active users were on the decline, trying to claim that was somehow good for Lemmy. Or back when Lemmy had its /r/place copy, there were plenty of people saying it was better than reddit’s. Basically anything about Lemmy that’s somewhat lacking has people desperately trying to defend it as actually superior.
It borders on delusional at times. Yes Lemmy is good, but reddit is still better in dozens of ways, almost all of them related to user count. And this is coming from one of the people who deleted their reddit account and replaced it with Lemmy cold turkey - I haven’t been back there (except for porn) in almost 8 weeks.
This platform is almost 100% idealism and politics. Any hobby/technical community goes completely inactive.
I don’t know if it’s the users themselves or just the fact it’s a smaller community as a whole, but I see way, way more drama posts about random things going on in niche parts of Lemmy than I ever did on Reddit. And unlike those on Reddit, most of these posts on Lemmy amount to nothing but the OP overreacting or reaching for the sake of being a victim. I can only think of one bit of drama that was legit, and that was the Ten Forward/Risa thing.
And it’s not more or less annoying than Reddit, it’s basically the same thing as the nazis but with a different flavor: the tankies. It’s just… Weird. I’d never encountered that shit before.
The wannabe communists and those trolls from Hexbear.
Just lack of numbers. Reddit’s at it’s best when I can use it to discuss some incredibly niche topic. That early 2000s RTS that nobody remembers? Got a few dozen redditors still posting memes. New indie game drops? There’s enough redditors on it that we can talk about it.
But lemmy seems really bad for trying to enjoy any community that isn’t a big political or meme centerpiece. Any particular game or IP that isn’t a lowest common denominator? It’ll get maybe 3 posts a month.
No more interesting discussions of gameplay mechanics or inspirations or character analyses, no burning out an entire workday browsing the top all-time and giggling like an idiot, it’s just dead here.
The same massive numbers that made reddit insufferable for some are what make niche communities inhabitable at all.
Numbers are a double edged sword. Yes, Reddit has lots of active niche communities that are active because of its massive user base, but once you get to anything not niche, there are so many users that any sort of constructive discussion is nearly impossible are you’re drowned out from the masses. Using Reddit only for the niche stuff (with ads blocked, of course) and Lemmy for anything else seems like a reasonable solution.
Lots more pro CCP shills on here. Smh.
I’m left on the political spectrum but by and large y’all fuckers are over the deep end.
especially lemmygrad
I have seen people praising North Korea there lol
The sheer amount of pro-communist/pro-china comments is insane here. Plus the number of giant emojis that spam up the whole comment feed. Honestly, most of my real issues come down strictly to Hexbear users. A lot of their behavior completely ruins the platform for me.
That and the lack of fanbases for the things I like. There’s very little Star Wars or Halo fan presence here. Feels like Star Trek is the only fandom with any presence here, so I have to go back to reddit for those things.
Lemmy.world is defederated from hexvear if you’re looking to be totally free of them. Obviously you would have to join lemmyworld and some people don’t want to do that for various reasons, which is totally fine, but you’ll get a ton of content without the spam.
It’s VERY noticeable when I’m on an alt account (either to view c/piracy or because the DDOS attacks have .world down) and a hexbear user is in the comments. Defederation was 100% the right decision and I’m eager to block the instance on all my alts when it becomes possible to.
The pro china/Russia stuff is super weird. Also the hex bear goons brigading everything.
It’s very easy for bots and fascists to have a voice here unfortunately
Everyone should have a voice to be honest. Shutting them out completely won’t help, it just creates a bubble. As a human species it’s important for us to communicate.
But yeah there’s definitely more of them here unfortunately.
Deplatforming harmful ideologies is shown to create a reduction in hate speech and harm overall.
Because of this, I am pro-defederation of hexbear. They can have a voice, sure, but it’s my choice if I want to listen
I believe it to a degree, but I think it’s also a problem because we can’t ever change their minds if we’re not talking with each other. If they’re stuck in a hate-filled bubble, they’re only going to enrage each other further and accept each other’s biases.
It’s a different story if they’re attacking other people based on their own beliefs, then they should absolutely be banned from the platform. And if enough of that happens, then at that point de-federation should be the option (which I guess is probably the stage we’re at)
Regarding your first point, I think there’s more harm mitigated than rehabilitation opportunity lost by quarantining and thus limiting the outreach potential of extremists. The saner, less edgy parts of the Internet are easy enough to access and these people will come across them in due course if they are in a receptive mindset. Whereas I am completely comfortable making their weird little dens of groupthink harder to stumble upon by default.
I mean good luck changing any their minds. They are heavily entrenched and quite overly aggressive.
Political extremists. So about the same as Reddit, though they seem to be a little more frequent/outspoken here. Also funnily enough the complete opposite side of the spectrum. Used to get called a dirty commie because I believed in Nationalized healthcare, but now I’m apparently a facist for not worshipping the CCP.
This goes not only for the tankies, unfortunately…
I see 1000 more posts against tankies then actual talkie posts… so like… get off it.
Tankies.
You can’t have a discussion about anything without some tankie blaming it on Ukrainians / the west / capitalism, etc.
“Oh you stubbed your toe on the table? See, tables are oppressive furniture of the bourgeoisie. The Chinese government wanted to make all tables toe-stubbing resistent, but that would affect IKEA’s bottom line and the pharmaceutical industry’s profits. I have a source from tankiepeoplesmagazine to back this up.”
I almost never see this, but I see complaints about “tankies” all the time. I’m not even sure what a tankie is, but it seems about as stupid as the term “woke”.
Have a look at comments in any news article regarding Ukraine. They will simp for Russia just because they are not US allies.
A tankie is commonly used to refer to someone who blindly defends the actions of the USSR, China, North Korea, etc. Going as far as denying human rights abuses and genocide.
It’s not the same thing as woke.
I know it’s not the same as woke, the word just hits the same level of annoyingness for me.
I’m all for shutting down those who support Russia right now, I just feel like using buzzwords makes it more difficult to take people seriously.
The term goes back to the 50s and 60s, hardly a buzzword.
Sorry to tell you, but you’ve been living under a rock.
I never saw that word used until I came to lemmy. I had to look it up and found that exact same wiki page for it.
Just because its a real word with a wiki page doesn’t make it any less annoying to constantly see on here. And only here. I see that word on NO other sites I ever visit.
I’ve seen “tankie” in leftist discussions on multiple sites for ages before I joined Lemmy.
Just because its a real word with a wiki page doesn’t make it any less annoying […]
And just because you first encountered a word in some place doesn’t mean that word originated in that place.
It’s a very common word in leftist circles. So if Lemmy is your first contact with leftists (beyond center left), then that explains it.
Being annoying is your opinion, but it’s not a buzzword that someone from gen z invented recently.
I didn’t say it was a buzzword.
I’m in the US and “lefty” might mean something different for me than it does for you. Where I live and the sites I go on - have leftys on there but no, they never use the term tankie.
Annoying is an opinion yes, but I’m saying its annoying because of how often it is brought up. Not that I’m siding with tankies or people who are against tankies.
Anything that gets repeated over and over is going to come across as annoying. Unless you like redundancy.
I’m a socialist but the level of communism here gives me a headache. Wish I could block the whole hexbear instance
Start up your own private instance and defederate hexbear.
I would if I could but unfortunately I’m way too lazy for that
Lol not sure why you’re downvoted, it’s a legit concern. Running a lemmy instance is a lot more work than “just set it up once”
It’s really not. Run it in Docker on your home PC. You don’t need to moderate any users because you don’t need to have any users on your instance. It quite literally is “just set it up once,” defederate instances you don’t like, and occasionally upgrade the software like you do any other app.
That being said, a few Lemmy apps now support blocking entire instances, so that IS more simple than it was even a few weeks ago.
The number of pro-communist posts in here is comical. The amount of anti-capitalist posts is almost comical. Obviously related to some degree.
The lack of posts outside of a few main news and politics communities is frustrating.
It’s sad so many capitalism cheerleaders migrated here, considering most of us are literally here fleeing capitalist greed rot.
Some just refuse to learn. The sunk cost fallacy of “I’ve committed my life to this thing, and no amount of evidence will ever make me accept my mistake as a mistake!”
Should have just stayed to be disrespected by Spez in the name of his profit. He’s a good capitalist.
do you think capitalism is good or something
It’s far from perfect, but it isn’t the cause of every single issue anyone’s ever had like people on here would have you believe
What’s funny is these tankies are making the whole left look bad and I have to remind myself that these people are a tiny minority of disaducated extremists and not to let them put a bad taste in my mouth for anything socialist. I noticed their existence and rhetoric was pushing me right and now I’m realizing they’re very likely conservative trolls, fascists trying to make the left undersireable. A social democracy is what I look forward to, not licking putin’s aashole.
I once stumbled upon a declassified CIA document about how to squash leftist movements from the inside (I haven’t been able to find it again)…a lot of online communists act just like that document said to.
and now I’m realizing they’re very likely conservative trolls, fascists trying to make the left undersireable
You wish. And that sounds like something one of them would say, “left is when good, if they do a bad, they’re on the right.”
At some point, we have to face the facts that there are also bad people on the left. It is what it is, it doesn’t mean the whole left is bad, we can squabble about proportions of hexbear/lemmygrad user types to liberals all day, but to pretend that any leftist that says dumb, authoritarian, or downright immoral things is just a right winger trying to discredit the left is Q level “Crisis Actor” style conspiracy horse shit, with all due respect.
The defederation topic and how it impacts me.
I’m an adult, if I find something offensive I’ll either block it or ignore it. However, not giving me the choice offends me and IMHO goes against what Lemmy and the fediverse was suppose to deliver.
I understand (and read) the reason’s why site owners defederate and I view it largely as “Lemmy isn’t mature enough to support more granular blocking - yet”, so I wait patiently and hope this trend towards defederation doesn’t turn into a powertrip by site owners “for the good of their users…”
Depends on the reason for me. I totally get why .world blocked those 3 communities (not a defed I know but still) given the possible legal issues and given the admin isn’t a lawyer and can’t afford to retain a high powered legal team. Blocking those communities until they have a legal opinion just seems like good sense to me.
The hexbear thing - they’re evangelical totalitarians politically. They believe what they believe and everything they talk about revolves around that and they need you to hear it, again and again and again. It’s just mentally exhausting dealing with them, especially when a large part of their freely admitted m.o. is brigading/dog-piling.
Being fedded with lemmynsfw didn’t bother me, I hardly ever saw anything from it as I rarely feel the need to go on ‘All’. I understand there were some anime jailbait issues? That’s probably a pretty good reason to defed from an instance.
So, and this is admittedly all from my perspective, I haven’t seen any overbearing uses of defedding.
And I think people need to realise defedding is not like banning. On reddit if a sub got banned it was gone. On Lemmy if one instance defeds from another, the other instance is still there. You still have the choice to view it.
