Hiiii everybody! We need rules to keep the place from going off the rails and your mod team would like you to give them a review and let us know what you think. We’re going to implement them now as a temporary ruleset so I’ll slap them into the sidebar shortly, then make amendments based on commentary. Here’s what we’ve got:

Community Rules

  • Be nice. Assume others have good intent (within reason).
  • Block or ignore posts, comments, and users that irritate you in some way rather than engaging. Report if they are actually breaking community rules.
  • Use content warnings and/or mark as NSFW when appropriate. Most posts with content warnings likely need to be marked NSFW.
  • Most 196 posts are memes, shitposts, cute images, or even just recent things that happened, etc. There is no real theme, but try to avoid posts that are very inflammatory, offensive, very low quality, or very “off topic”.
  • Avoid AI generated content.
  • Avoid corpoposting.
  • Avoid misinformation.
  • Avoid incomprehensible posts.
  • No prejudice such as transphobia, racism, ableism, etc.
  • No threats or personal attacks.
  • No spam.
  • No tankie, nazi, or any other authoritarian behavior.
  • No genocide denial.
  • ShareMySims@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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    2 days ago

    For what it’s worth, I’m adding my voice to the “keep the no tankies rule” pile.

    People who don’t know what they’re talking about hurling it as a generalised insult at leftists doesn’t devoid it of its actual meaning, nor of the importance of explicitly keeping tankies out for the safety of the rest of the community.

    People licking Xi or Kim boot deserve the exact same treatment as people licking Trump or Musk boot do.

  • Cassa@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
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    3 days ago

    To add to the tankie discussion

    I’d like to support the explanation of tankie, but keep the wording. It’s been around for a reason - being that it’s far easier to self-regulate and keeping “authoritarian socialists” out.

    The reason we should keep tankie is for education. States using tanks against it’s citizens are not cool. I myself learned a lot about authoritarianism after encountering the word initially.

    Tankie is misused, but easily explained as to what it actually is, and I have shown people to wikipedia, not much harder than that.

    196 has a long history of having no tankie rule, from reddit to lemmy. And I honestly think it’s important to keep it.

  • WrittenInRed [any]@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    1·
    3 days ago

    I’ve rewritten this a few times with various points I was trying to make, but for the sake of not having a wall of text I’ll try to keep it short lol.

    For the whole tankie discussion, I saw @LH0ezVT@sh.itjust.works mentioned imperialism, and it made me think that the whole rule should probably be reworded imo

    The big thing is that it feels like the whole debate is mostly based on semantics, so that should be fixed if possible. It basically boils down to what “tankie” means or is perceived to mean. As written the rule uses ideological labels to try and represent a broader set of beliefs, but the main issue with that is that by picking those sorts of imprecise labels it sort of muddies what specific kind of beliefs the rule is trying to highlight. Especially with tankie (and even more so on Lemmy), lots of different people use it to label very different things. Even if the rules are using it “correctly”, there’s still enough disagreement surrounding the term overall that it seems worth it to just elaborate more specifically on what it’s actually trying to refer to. Doing so helps prevent some misunderstandings that might happen between users and mods as to what is covered by this rule, means that new users who have been incorrectly called a tankie elsewhere on lemmy don’t see the term and assume they’ll also be banned here, and also just generally makes the rules more clear which is never a bad thing.

    Maybe something like:

    Support or defense of authoritarianism is not welcome.This includes but is not limited to: imperialism, nationalism, genocide denial, ethnic or racial supremacy, fascism, nazism, etc."

    I feel like that covers the problematic stuff from any type of authoritarianism. Could even be safe and make it something to the effect of “Support or defense of authoritarianism, regardless of the state, is not welcome…” to make sure it’s explicit.

  • usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml
    1·
    4 days ago

    Can we also add a no links to twitter.com / x.com rule like other communities are starting to add? Not that many people are generally doing a lot of linking here, but still would be good to have sort of rule against it

  • trevor@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    1·
    4 days ago

    I would like to voice my support for the “no authoritarian” rule. Just because liberals use the term “tankie” to wrongly describe non-auth leftists, doesnt mean the word isn’t clearly defined or that it shouldnt be used.

    If you’re auth-“left” or find yourself doing apologia for the few genocides and instances of human rights voilations that the west opposes, you’re a tankie. It’s safe to say that genocide apologia and human rights violations of any kind should have no place on 196.

  • Sop@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    1·
    4 days ago

    Misogyny should be added to list of no prejudices since it was common on the previous community.

    Also I’ll repeat my request for removing ‘no tankie behavior’ because ‘tankie’ has no consensus definition which makes it a divisive term. In this community I’ve seen several people describe all Marxist Leninists as ‘tankies’. I strongly dislike sectarianism and I would like ML’s to feel welcome here. Any posts that are harmful to the community should just be moderated on the basis of its harm.

  • rtxn@lemmy.world
    0·
    4 days ago

    corpoposting

    I think it would be best to define those terms. I have a vague idea of what “corpoposting” means, but rules should be concrete and subject to as little interpretation as possible.

    If you want to keep the neat list format, you could use :::spoiler tags to create rollouts that contain a detailed description. For example:

    Avoid corpoposting.

    Avoid subjects that glorify the excessive exploitation of people or resources.

    Bigotry is not allowed.

    This includes (but is not limited to):

    • Discrimination based on gender identity or preference (homophobia, transphobia, etc);
    • Discrimination based on race, ethnicity, nationality, language, or religion;
    • Discrimination based on a person’s physical or mental capabilities, or of differently-abled people.