its because it is dangerous.
There’s literally no point in selling non pasteurized milk, unless you want to waste money and cause potential health issues.
Literally all pasteurization does is heat up the milk, moderately, for a short period of time, and thats it.
It’s more cost effective to do at scale, it’s easier to regulate, ensuring consumer safety is easier, and ensuring that something happens if your dumbass doesn’t do it properly, can also happen. The only reason you shouldn’t do this is if you want to pasteurize your own milk, for some reason.
Maybe if you hate having free time, and need more responsibilities you should go synthesize your own fucking motor oil. Not pasteurize milk.
If you want to make Kefir at home you need raw milk. Obviously US goes into Soviet times so they will need it. This and potatoes in every home garden.
No you do not.
Buy and maintain some kefir grains, it’s not expensive or difficult and does not require raw milk.
https://culturesforhealth.com/collections/kefir/products/milk-kefir-grains
Ok then this thing. My father used to do it. I’m not a fan.
I make yogurt all the time with pasteurized milk. Why would “thin yogurt” require raw milk? I have read that you get a thicker yogurt using regular pasteurized milk instead of ultra pasteurized milk, but I have had zero problems making yogurt with either.
Kefir is delicious though
Let them get their raw milk then?
Kids shouldn’t die because their parents are idiots.
it’s eugenics, but legal, why shouldn’t we? Clearly letting them live up till now hasn’t served them well.
The rare salient point.
The frightening thing is that there are a bunch of “YEAH! KILL THOSE KIDS!” people elsewhere in the thread.
honestly im at a point politically, where i think that it needs to happen to be able to knock sense into people.
Thats it! Its not that we rejoice in their dead kids or some shit, but they just wont listen unless theyre personally effected
Yes they should. Children of profound idiots don’t DESERVE to die, but no one should be surprised when they eat lye or invest in 401k. Misunderstand eveything.
They might be kind of doomed anyway.
I mean if they grow up to be MAGA…….
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Pathogens don’t care whether or not you spread them to other people who don’t drink raw milk, I’m afraid.
And people who care, actually do things like get vaccines, and believe doctors.
Unless they can’t, some people are immunocompromised. The world is more complicated than you think, so try thinking instead of reacting.
Well, I get that. And at this point, I’m sicking of trying to keep people from setting the house on fire, while they are dousing themselves with gasoline.
You are living in the same house
Don’t even bother. They think you can vaccinate against bacteria. And they’ve doubled down on it three times now.
Vaccines can be developed for bacterial or viral infections. As explained here the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), vaccines are used to prevent, rather than treat, infection, “working with the body’s natural defenses to safely develop immunity to disease.” Vaccines mimic an infection, causing the body to produce antibodies and defensive white blood cells, in order to help develop immunity.
Several vaccines against extracellular bacteria have been developed in the past and are still used successfully today, e.g., vaccines against tetanus, pertussis, and diphtheria. However, while induction of antibody production is usually sufficient for protection against extracellular bacteria, vaccination against intracellular bacteria is much more difficult because effective defense against these pathogens requires T cell-mediated responses, particularly the activation of cytotoxic CD8+ T cells. These responses are usually not efficiently elicited by immunization with non-living whole cell antigens or subunit vaccines, so that other antigen delivery strategies are required.
There isn’t an available bird flu vaccine that we could manufacture fast enough to make it available even if we started right now. This is assuming that they let us have it instead of telling us to tough it out and take some vitamin C.
There are actually several already ready to go, just not done because… Well, Bird Flu hasn’t made the jump.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H5N1_vaccine
And, as long as the civilize nations of the world keep doing the rational thing, they’ll be able to limit the damage to just the US.
You didn’t even read that, did you?
H5N1 continually mutates, meaning vaccines based on current samples of avian H5N1 cannot be depended upon to work in the case of a future pandemic of H5N1. While there can be some cross-protection against related flu strains, the best protection would be from a vaccine specifically produced for any future pandemic flu virus strain. Daniel R. Lucey, co-director of the Biohazardous Threats and Emerging Diseases graduate program at Georgetown University, has made this point, “There is no H5N1 pandemic so there can be no pandemic vaccine.”[34] However, “pre-pandemic vaccines” have been created; are being refined and tested; and do have some promise both in furthering research and preparedness for the next pandemic.[35] Vaccine manufacturing companies are being funded to increase flexible capacity so that if a pandemic vaccine is needed, facilities will be available for rapid production of large amounts of a vaccine specific to a new pandemic strain.[36]
There is no guarantee that any “pre-pandemic” vaccines will work.
But then, you think you can vaccinate against bacteria…
You can’t vaccinate against pneumonia?
Lol, k.
No. No you can’t. Again, you really do not understand how any of this works. Pneumonia isn’t even a cause, it’s a symptom. I can be caused by fungi, viruses or bacteria. Saying you can vaccinate against pneumonia is like saying you can vaccinate against a runny nose. That’s literally not how anything works.
But please do keep digging.
Please tell me about the salmonella and e. coli vaccines.
I dunno if we have them, because they are both only transmissible via tainted food or water. And, well, if you don’t drink or eat tainted food, you wont really have to worry, now will you?
You don’t know that you can’t have a vaccine against bacteria?
Then maybe you’re out of your depth here.
Pneumonococcal vaccine doesn’t exist?
Dude, seriously stop digging. Vaccination is for viruses, not bacteria.
I get that you really love your raw milk, but that doesn’t entitle you to just make shit up.
I think that’s their point. Just let them be adults and decide. I think overall it’s a very calculate issue used as a proxy for something else. What I don’t understand is why the Democrats or people on the left haven’t seen this stuff for what it is. Also there’s no counter to this strategy. It’s like a weird game theory situation where one group is knows game theory and the other side knows how to play checkers
I think overall it’s a very calculate issue used as a proxy for something else.
That much is true. Its a proxy for industry de-regulation.
I’m all for people getting the raw milk they demand, because I hope it will lead to a quick demise.
Problem is, if they acquire a novel virus, they can basically send us into another pandemic.
This kind of crap hurts everyone.
Honestly?
It would not be a bad thing, if that were to happen in the US. Then, we wouldn’t be able to fuck over other countries, due to a severe lack of manpower.
Um, no thanks to that, thank you very much.
If you think something with a fatality rate of ~52% would be a good thing? Not sure what to do with that…and there is no fucking way something like that would stay within our borders in any case.
I’d say the 52% likely overlaps greatly with the 49% that created the situation.
If only. Sadly, that’s not how it works.
Adult implies mental competency.
The non raw milk people should market their milk on the carton with
Death and Disease Free
Big Dairy would probably mark everything up, selling pasteurization as a premium feature.
The flu in general is great at swapping proteins with other strains many of which are extant in the population right now. Every human bird flu infection of which there are presently few is a chance for highly pathogenic bird flu to make a version that is more transmissible which might yet retain its present greater than covid lethality. If this happens millions could die among them the most vulnerable including the old and those with auto immune disorders. Most of these folks who would die don’t themselves drink raw milk for obvious reasons.
Well, thankfully, civilized nations around the globe will be able to contain the damage to mostly just the fascist Imperial States of America.
No they won’t be able to. There is no tested and mass produced vaccine as of yet. There is no guarantee that a vaccine vs the present bird flu will work against what idiots brew up. Even if the experimental vaccines we have in the pipe are functional against the strain that emerges there is no reason to believe that everyone especially the poorer nations shall be able to manufacture enough fast enough to prevent widespread death.
Covid did have the silver lining of really jump-starting science and medicine in this regard. I shudder to think how the viciously stupid and hateful donvict administration will handle something like bird flu, even with these great tools we now have.
There is not a chance of that happening.
People in America also thought that Covid was just something “over there” when it started in China, too. That’s not how disease works.
Let them drink it.
Let them drink raw milk
Cows are getting avian influenza. Farm workers are getting it from the chickens and cows. There is concern that people may eventually catch bird flu from raw milk. The more people get infected, the greater the odds that a mutation will develop that allows human to human transmission. Unfortunately, we may, yet again, have all of our lives and livelihoods threatened by people too ignorant to take even the most basic precautions for self preservation.
Regulators Say It’s Dangerous.
Not for long, they won’t, because they won’t be allowed to.
Because they won’t exist.
Beautiful … the Darwin Awards are now coming to your grocery store
Humans shouldnt be drinking cow milk anymore anyways.
I drank milk from the tank and cream is the best. However, I still prefer pasteurized milk. If the MAGAts want to drink raw milk, let them and watch the green apple splatter flow.
But I can still get the pasteurized stuff, right?
Not for long.
Guess it’s almond milk for me then.
Big year for Tuberculosis
You know what, just let it happen. I’ll just do my best to stay away from any milk for four years. We’ll see how things turn out afterwards.
Switch to almond
I like soy better
Oat is GOAT for coffee
And oatmeal. And oats cereal. I feel like I’m missing something…
Fun fact: nearly 40% of all foodborne illnesses were caused by raw milk consumption. Pasteurization has reduced that number down to less than 1%, except in places where raw milk consumption is still allowed.
Been only buying organic milk for 10+ years now out of preference, it stays fresh for much longer than normal milk. This is because USDA Organic milk is ultra-pasteurized in almost the same way as shelf-stable milk.
I searched and found this article and they reported that there’s virtually no difference in nutrients between the options:
https://www.100daysofrealfood.com/is-ultra-pasteurized-milk-bad/
So if all the nutrients are the same, the only difference in less pasteurization is more bacteria. Fuck that!
I think it definitely affects the taste though doesn’t it? I prefer the organic ones that are vat pasteurized due to that reason, ultra feels sweeter to me.
It pretty much always tastes like good fresh milk to me
Legal in the UK, fucking read a book.
Under certain conditions, and it still poses a risk as the proper labeling of it suggests.
The NLH has some literature on the unnecessary amount of people that are made sick, and some that have died as a result of consuming raw milk.
If you want to believe it’s harmless, and consume it despite warnings, you are free to do so. But I can’t in good conscience allow you to misinform people without due diligence. Now everyone can weigh the risks after having been given both sides of the argument.
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What’s the point though. I don’t eat raw meat or raw eggs so why would I eat raw milk. If it contains protein and fat then my nutritional needs are satisfied - simple as that really
The opinion of a person apparently never had steak tartar, sashimi, met, whisky sours made properly, or eggs over easy is pretty much worthless.
I eat fried eggs over easy most days of the week. I’ve had sushi and sashimi multiple times. Never had steak tartar and I don’t drink anymore though.
Haven’t heard of runny egg yolk posing the same risk of containing harmful bacteria as raw milk.
Steak tartar and sushi fish have to come from certified producers as far as i know. Surely raw milk is the same.
But I doubt anyone eats those things every day of the week, throughout the day, like they do with milk.
Legal vs. Illegal is not the same as Safe vs. Unsafe.
just look at all those dead englishmen
Sorry but how the fuck are insurance companies OK with this? They hold extreme amounts of power over the US. They are going to have to do ridiculous amounts of payouts for hospital bills.
How the fuck are people’s life saving surgeries getting denied at pre-approval, but they are not denying people’s coverage for fucking drinking raw milk??
You haven’t heard? AI is going to automatically deny all those claims, problem solved.
they can just outright deny them im guessing, the consumer bought it, knowingly.
And theyll somehow blame Dems
Maybe if this takes off raw milk will show up on health questionnaires or be in the fine print as a pre existing condition
They don’t pay out the bills lol. I imagine they’ll work on dismantling the ACA/“Obamacare.” Insurance will cover nothing.
Fascists always turn on each other.
Same as every other money minded entity, if they speak out they’ll be shouted down or destroyed. Ethics don’t matter, number go up.
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At least this time the disease will stay confined to the stupid.
That’s not how diseases work.
Isn’t it contagious
Tuberculosis is also carried in unpastuerised milk. The US currently has the largest outbreak in its history.
Yeah, in Kansas City. From what I’ve been able to track down, Patient Zero came back from a recent trip to the Federated States of Micronesia. Current infected rate reported hit 66 people, but that might be higher.
If you’re in the Midwest, brush up on symptoms to look for, and stay away from Nursing Homes and elementary schools if you’re vulnerable.
Bird flu? Human-to-human either isn’t happening, or is extremely rare, can’t remember.
For now. If it mutates to become more contagious without becoming less deadly, that becomes an everyone problem
You can at least get vaxed for tb.
Stupidity? Based on the election result, I would say yes.
If they die they die. It’s a risk I’m willing to take
Except they’re also giving it to their kids, who are far more susceptible to the diseases
I said what I said
What you said is horrible and you should feel horrible.
But your willing to sacrifice children’s lives for your own political goals is noted. Israel does something similar.
They aren’t responsible for other peoples kids.
You really are not connecting A and B here.
They said there should be a general strike. I said to them that 40% of Americans live paycheck-to-paycheck, meaning that missing work means not being able to feed and house their kids.
They said they can just take their kids to a soup kitchen. Which, and I don’t know how to make this any clearer to you, will not stop their kids from getting taken away from them because they’re homeless.
So you’re right, they aren’t responsible for other people’s kids and neither are you. You just both expect people to sacrifice them anyway.
Did you reply in the wrong chain? I can’t find where either of you said those things.
look bro, would i push for a law that allows raw milk to be sold? Probably not, if they push one, am i going to stop them just because they might end up killing people? Also no, collateral damage is still damage, and we’re so far gone it’s not gonna improve much at this point.
This has absolutely nothing to do with what is being discussed, which is child abuse.
Both of you keep trying to change the subject.
And when that kid grows up to be a nazi youth and is ushering you into a death camp???
Why are you assuming that? Do you think fascism is a genetic trait? Which gene is the fascism gene?
Are your politics the same as your parents? Because I sure as fuck am not a Zionist like my father was.
Ok, so they get to watch their kids die at their own hands, and then head off to jail. Problem seems to be fixing itself.
I don’t give a fuck about their kids.
Not all kids grown in a Republican household turn out to be Republicans.
Especially the ones raised on raw milk.
And without vaccinations.
Like me!
Same.
No one is worried they are gonna turn out republican. This next generation is going to turn out nazi.
Yeah but they might
And not all the Jews that died in the Holocaust were good people. What’s your point?
Human beings deserve to live. It’s not our call to make whether we just save good people, just that we try to save people. Anything less isn’t enough.
We can’t play God.
Kids are innocent, regardless of how shitty the parents are.
And the jews that also happened to be pedophiles deserved to be punished.
Right, but what does that have to do with children drinking milk?
I can’t entirely agree with this. Their kids don’t deserve to suffer. But yeah, I kinda don’t have a whole lot of hope for them.
Suffer not the Republican lest he taketh thine liberty
