• givesomefucks@lemmy.worldOP
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      Imagine having a candidate that got more popular after speaking in public…

      We literally haven’t even passed that low of a bar in over a decade. I don’t understand what’s happened to people.

      People as a whole are more politically aware than I’ve ever seen, but we’re just wasting it.

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        We have to undo decades of policy enacted the much longer politically aware and active owner class. They’ve had a head start on us, so it’s going to take tome to dismantle the political machinery they’ve created while minimizing harm done to the rest of us.

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          We actually don’t.

          A single progressive president means they get to name the DNC chair and a bunch of voting positions.

          It’s literally that easy to take over the party.

          Obama just didn’t do it because he didn’t need the party after they turned on him for opposing Hillary.

          If he’d have rebuilt it, we’d have a functional progressive party planning decades ahead already. And trump would still just be that guy from the Mac Miller song. The SC would be a progressive majority. The situation and Gaza wouldn’t have turned into an open genocide, COVID would have been handled appropriately.

          It’s not some insurmountable task, but it gets harder and harder every cycle.

          By all rights we should have had protests in the streets calling for Biden and the DNC leadership to step down for stealing NH’s delagets. But not enough people had crossed their personal lines by then.

          If we’d have had the fight then, we’d have had a full primary almost to figure shit out.

          But we didn’t.

          Until we finally do, shit won’t change.

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              We should have learned that confidence is the one thing you can’t fake. A candidate can be confident for illogical reasons, but that’s still more convincing than being right but not being confident. It creates this weird effect where once people get too smart, they become less decisive and people perceive that as less confident.

              The stereotypical nerd.

              Gore probably would have been a top 10 president. But he couldn’t sell himself to voters just a little more. And if memory recalls, he technically didn’t even have to concede. Like, if he had waited I believe the recounts were actively happening. He didn’t even let it run down to the final vote.

              But I think its important to note not a single Dem Senator challenged it either which would have been even better than Gore challenging it

              Bernie would have most likely, but he wasn’t in yet. Biden could have done it, but he didn’t, same with most of the current Dem leadership.

              So Gore should have planted his feet, and voters should have gotten behind, probably would have. But the party didn’t have Gore’s back either. And Gore wasn’t confident enough to try it without the party.

              It’s crazy how shit comes so close and has such widespread consequences. Just one Dem senator back then dragging it out till a final count would have done it.

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      I want AOC with vice president Bernie.

      That man may be in his final years of politics, and perhaps too old to be at the helm, but dammit, he deserves it.

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        I saw him speak the other day and he was totally with it. Like that super old person who lives to be 120 and is sharp as fuck right until their body gives up, but until then they are firy and physically fit.

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      Literally has had one minor mis-step with the railroad union strike, telling them to go back to work, and they still got the deal they wanted in the end. She hasn’t just earned my vote for POTUS should she choose to run, but she’s got my full support. Heck, I might start throwing campaign contributions her way if she makes a POTUS try.

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        So, not codifying RvW as promised, not protecting voter rights, not protecting civil liberties…

        … those aren’t missteps?

        and they still got the deal they wanted in the end

        Is it in the fucking contract? no? Then they got jack shit.

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            I’m not the one waiving a magic wand thinking Biden is a perfect candidate.

            You are.

            As I’ve said elsewhere, baring Biden himself stepping down it’s suicide for any one to oppose him. So no I’m not going to enter that fucking argument with someone who can’t even see what’s clearly before them.

            Especially considering I’m guessing you give credit for the American recovery act to Biden even as you’d scramble to insist Biden doesn’t have the power to pass law.

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          not codifying RvW as promised, not protecting voter rights, not protecting civil liberties…

          Conservatives (including Manchin and Sinema) stopped all of that. I hate the Dem party and despise neoliberals (AKA the other conservatives), but conservatives are fully to blame for those specific issues.

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            You’re right. They’re fascists doing fascist things.

            So what’s *Biden *done about it? what action has he successfully taken against the erosion of rights americans used to enjoy?

            Don’t sit there and tell me POTUS is totally powerless to do anything. He’s not. we both know he’s not. even with a divided congress half of which is totally obstructionist, Biden is not powerless.

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      AOC will not survive after Trump wins.

      “Haven’t you heard it’s a battle of words?”
      The poster bearer cried
      “Listen, son,” said the man with the gun
      “There’s room for you inside”