The statement:
The Supreme Court has become consumed by a corruption crisis beyond its control.
Today’s ruling represents an assault on American democracy. It is up to Congress to defend our nation from this authoritarian capture.
I intend on filing articles of impeachment upon our return.
This is what leadership is, what voters want, and what wins elections.
Doesn’t matter if it works, it’s trying and highlighting that issues can be fixed. We might not succeed the first time, but we’ll keep fucking trying till we do.
Put the votes on record and show voters where people stand.
AOC is earning my vote.
Imagine having a candidate that got more popular after speaking in public…
We literally haven’t even passed that low of a bar in over a decade. I don’t understand what’s happened to people.
People as a whole are more politically aware than I’ve ever seen, but we’re just wasting it.
We have to undo decades of policy enacted the much longer politically aware and active owner class. They’ve had a head start on us, so it’s going to take tome to dismantle the political machinery they’ve created while minimizing harm done to the rest of us.
We actually don’t.
A single progressive president means they get to name the DNC chair and a bunch of voting positions.
It’s literally that easy to take over the party.
Obama just didn’t do it because he didn’t need the party after they turned on him for opposing Hillary.
If he’d have rebuilt it, we’d have a functional progressive party planning decades ahead already. And trump would still just be that guy from the Mac Miller song. The SC would be a progressive majority. The situation and Gaza wouldn’t have turned into an open genocide, COVID would have been handled appropriately.
It’s not some insurmountable task, but it gets harder and harder every cycle.
By all rights we should have had protests in the streets calling for Biden and the DNC leadership to step down for stealing NH’s delagets. But not enough people had crossed their personal lines by then.
If we’d have had the fight then, we’d have had a full primary almost to figure shit out.
But we didn’t.
Until we finally do, shit won’t change.
We should have been in streets for Gore.
We should have learned that confidence is the one thing you can’t fake. A candidate can be confident for illogical reasons, but that’s still more convincing than being right but not being confident. It creates this weird effect where once people get too smart, they become less decisive and people perceive that as less confident.
The stereotypical nerd.
Gore probably would have been a top 10 president. But he couldn’t sell himself to voters just a little more. And if memory recalls, he technically didn’t even have to concede. Like, if he had waited I believe the recounts were actively happening. He didn’t even let it run down to the final vote.
But I think its important to note not a single Dem Senator challenged it either which would have been even better than Gore challenging it
Bernie would have most likely, but he wasn’t in yet. Biden could have done it, but he didn’t, same with most of the current Dem leadership.
So Gore should have planted his feet, and voters should have gotten behind, probably would have. But the party didn’t have Gore’s back either. And Gore wasn’t confident enough to try it without the party.
It’s crazy how shit comes so close and has such widespread consequences. Just one Dem senator back then dragging it out till a final count would have done it.
I want AOC with vice president Bernie.
That man may be in his final years of politics, and perhaps too old to be at the helm, but dammit, he deserves it.
I saw him speak the other day and he was totally with it. Like that super old person who lives to be 120 and is sharp as fuck right until their body gives up, but until then they are firy and physically fit.
Literally has had one minor mis-step with the railroad union strike, telling them to go back to work, and they still got the deal they wanted in the end. She hasn’t just earned my vote for POTUS should she choose to run, but she’s got my full support. Heck, I might start throwing campaign contributions her way if she makes a POTUS try.
So, not codifying RvW as promised, not protecting voter rights, not protecting civil liberties…
… those aren’t missteps?
and they still got the deal they wanted in the end
Is it in the fucking contract? no? Then they got jack shit.
Who is your pick for POTUS? Wave your magic wand.
I’m not the one waiving a magic wand thinking Biden is a perfect candidate.
You are.
As I’ve said elsewhere, baring Biden himself stepping down it’s suicide for any one to oppose him. So no I’m not going to enter that fucking argument with someone who can’t even see what’s clearly before them.
Especially considering I’m guessing you give credit for the American recovery act to Biden even as you’d scramble to insist Biden doesn’t have the power to pass law.
not codifying RvW as promised, not protecting voter rights, not protecting civil liberties…
Conservatives (including Manchin and Sinema) stopped all of that. I hate the Dem party and despise neoliberals (AKA the other conservatives), but conservatives are fully to blame for those specific issues.
You’re right. They’re fascists doing fascist things.
So what’s *Biden *done about it? what action has he successfully taken against the erosion of rights americans used to enjoy?
Don’t sit there and tell me POTUS is totally powerless to do anything. He’s not. we both know he’s not. even with a divided congress half of which is totally obstructionist, Biden is not powerless.
If we’re having elections in 28 and she isn’t a candidate. Something is wrong.
AOC will not survive after Trump wins.
“Haven’t you heard it’s a battle of words?”
The poster bearer cried
“Listen, son,” said the man with the gun
“There’s room for you inside”Cool story bro
That’s the thing though, with the Republicans in charge there will NEVER be a vote on this. They won’t allow it.
Yeah. But it’s provocative, it gets the people going.
That translates to more voters and more small donors.
Two things that are kind of important 4 months before a general election.
Is it terrible I always think of Kanye too when I hear it?
The minority party has seized control by eroding the foundation of democracy. The sad part is that most people don’t even realize how fucked we are.
And yet, she’ll never win a presidential election because she’s too polarizing. There’s literally no other way to win here if somebody else steps in. Sad that people try to do good in their job as a public representative for their people, and just fucking can’t.
Edit to say: don’t just take my word for it. Ask Bernie Sanders. Did he win the presidency at some point? I just must have…,…
And yet, she’ll never win a presidential election because she’s too polarizing
Imagine saying that after Obama flipped a bunch of red states and brought in a shit ton of down ballot races.
AOC is polarizing, but not as much as Obama and it’s easier the second time around.
Hell, no body even really mentioned Biden being Catholic in 1988. You should have seen the shit they said about JFK. And similar time-frames passed between.
And strictly police wise, the country is a lot more open to progressive policy than in 08, and again, everyone said Obama was too “polarizing” right up till election results.
I will vote for her so hard given the chance. Unfortunately, I’m still just one vote. I want to agree with you, but I’m not sure I can. I’d sure love to see her give it a real run, with a DNC that supporter her and didn’t drag her to the center or actively undercut her primary chances.
There be the facts, friend. It’s just how it works right now. Any time you figure out a better system you can get implemented, I’m all ears.
There be the facts, friend. It’s just how it works right now
What?
Literally what’s how what works?
Any time you figure out a better system you can get implemented, I’m all ears.
Fair and open primaries, mate.
I’ve been saying it since NH had their delegates stolen.
Well, this cycle, almost a decade now in total. This ain’t exactly a new problem, and it’s not like no one can think of a solution.
It’s just not easy beating corporate money in primaries until enough Dem voters demand the party sets higher standards. And most people only pay atteyonce every 4 years, then they’re too exhausted to care about politics.
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imagine fleeing an argument you’re wrong on this way 🤡
She’s not polarising. The oligarchy controlled media that constantly paint her as some kind of radical are polarising.
She’s vilified on Fox News as a Boogeyman literally every night of the week. WTF are you even talking about?
Have you seen what they say about Joe Biden?
They’d call trump Joseph Stalin if there was a D by his name.
It literally doesn’t matter how progressive a candidate we run, because they’ll say the same shit about anyone.
Moderates try to defend and talk about how conservative they really are. Alienating their voters. AOC would fucking own that shit and explain how it helps everyone.
What we’re doing isn’t working. And Biden himself keeps saying he’s powerless as president, so why not fucking try what worked for literal decades and there was no rational reason we ever stopped?
You will just be downvoted from here on out because of who you are. Get right with something.
Disgraceful
Because they are afraid of her
I don’t think many fox viewers are voting for any Democrat.
Obama was that bogeyman from 2008 to 2016. Considering that he won two elections during that time, I don’t think Fox News is really relevant to AOC.
So? They aren’t going to vote for a Dem anyway.
How come Trump gets to be as polarizing as he wants, but nobody to the left of McConnell can?
Repubs have spent decades feeding propaganda to their fear-addicted voting base. And they’re still squawking away with Fox and Sinclair. I’d love to see her run but I’m not certain it would be successful.
because she’s too polarizing.
She shares a lot of views with Bernie Sanders, and Berni would almost surely have defeated Trump where Hillary failed.
As I see it, she is not nearly as polarizing as Trump. The only ones strongly against her, are probably extreme Christians and Nazis.Republicans boosted Sanders, not because they liked him. But because they knew it would, and did divide their opposition for the next decade or more. Had Sanders gotten the nomination. They’d have smeared him worse than Clinton.
That’s the thing about Bernie. He’s hard to smear. Unlike, “my husband cheated on me while serving as President” Hillary. You’re delusional.
The fact that they didn’t take the time to really try to smear him doesn’t mean he’s hard to smear. There were a lot of accusations that could have gotten a lot of play Propaganda wise. Like him and his wife honeymooning in Russia. That got bare minimal play during the campaign because it was much more handy to keep the Democrats divided. In fact I think it was probably Democrats that pointed that out. But since they don’t directly control the messaging machine. And the people who do did not want that message out it didn’t get out.
Just to point this out to you since you seem to not understand. Smears don’t have to be true. Often they aren’t. All you need to smear someone successfully is a consistent message driven into them.
Not the point. She’s a Boogeyman for right-wing media.
That doesn’t really make her polarizing, that’s just the right wing media treating her unfairly, as they do with every progressive Democrat, except a bit more, because she is popular.
No, it makes her polarizing because the viewers of certain media thinks she’s a fucking liberal who will literally sweep your house, take you gums, sell them, and give the profit to "illegals’.
This was a literal interpretation about her from ImfoWars. It’s a fucking thing. She won’t win.
People who follow infowars are already radicalized, and will say any moderate is polarizing. They want a Fuhrer, they want to exterminate LGBT and colored people. Their opinion is irrelevant, because there is no talking sense to those people. Just see how the MAGA people threw a fit, because their house leader “compromised” after 8 months of negotiating, and getting everything they asked for!!!
They are beyond reach, and they are the ones polarizing, not rational sensible people like AOC, that actually tries to make life better for most people.If not only wanting to do things for the rich, the white and Christians, makes you polarizing, then a polarizing candidate is the only reasonable option.
Literally, anyone who threatens the interests served by right-wing media is going to see themselves transformed into a bogeyman by right-wing media. That’s how it works. That AOC is “polarizing” according to them is because of the threat she poses to them. If you’re letting right-wing media define the boundaries of who is an acceptable candidate, you will never defeat them.
Show me on this doll where AOC touched you.
Which means nothing. Absolutely nothing.
I really don’t think that’s true. People said the same with Obama, and he really never faced that in voters, the GOP was viciously attacking him and it never stuck. There is a stage big enough, that the most vicious attackers do get lost in the crowd.
Yup, never stuck. They won all the mid terms during his administration handily. Maintaining super majorities in Congress the whole time. Nope, they were never ever shellacked (Obamas phrasing) in the midterms over “obamacare”. No matter how you phrased it obamacare or ACA the publics approval was always the same they adored it right?
IMHO, the only reason she’s “polarizing” is because the right has chosen to run a smear campaign on her. People like her are a threat to them. She’s young, smart, and charming. She’s like Obama once was, only she’s even younger than he was. She’s still a year too young to run.
the right has chosen to run a smear campaign on her
And they run smear campaigns on EVERYONE with a D in front of their name, regardless of how far to the left they actually are. Democrats are playing a losing game by worrying about how the Republican media are going to portray them.
Their screaming means nothing anymore. Conservative media will panic-attack absolutely anyone who runs against the GOP with the exact same extreme deception and conspiracy theories.
And yet, she’ll never win a presidential election because she’s too polarizing.
She’ll never make it through the primaries because she’s a progressive.
No need to. Biden can have the 6 corrupt justices killed. He has the immunity and he can pick new justices. If members of the senate refuse to put the new justices on the bench, have them killed too. No rules anymore.
Strategically speaking liberal politicians are backed into a corner and only have two real options:
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Seize control preemptively, promoting conservative conspiracy to prophecy, and likely inciting CW2.
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Hand over full control come January and hope they continue to maintain some privilege under a new regime.
They’re already in check, but more concerned with soliciting large donations and collecting hot stick tips.
We want them to do option 1, but know they are going to choose option 2.
I want to move away so bad
Go. Start some research, and head out. Many countries you can just enter. Call it a vacation for the first year and see if you like it.
Liberal politicians do not need to be the ones to make sure #1 happens. The second amendment literally exists so the citizens have the capacity to do that ourselves.
200 years ago though, now you’ll get shit stomped by the military. The 2a thing is honestly a joke.
It wasn’t a joke from me. Democracy dies when the good man does nothing. I am a good man and I will fight for this democracy, as fucked up as it is. The right believes the left to be weak pacifists because we choose compromise, tolerance, and acceptance over bigotry, hate, and subjugation. They will need to learn the hard way that we choose that because we know that mutually beneficial social contracts make living better and provide a safe, prosperous world. They obviously do not want to be party to these social contracts with me, so I will not allow them any of the safety or benefits.
But the president has the power to tell the army “Don’t do shit” in complete impunity.
He does, but why would the president tell the army to do nothing when the people are rising up against said president? Nobody is that stupid, any rise up against the government will end with the military curb stomping it in about 15 minutes.
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This is the way.
The president can’t commit criminal acts and claim it was an official capacity, lol.
Who says he can’t? The Supreme Court just said that he’s immune from “official acts” without even defining what that would mean. Who determines what is and isn’t an official act? The President? The Supreme Court? Right now, as this ruling is worded, all bets are off. There’s nothing stopping a sitting President from just arbitrarily declaring someone as a threat to national security and having them picked off by ST6 as an “official act to prevent a terrorist attack against the United States”, then just having the details classified.
Having something criminal declared as an “official act” is piss-easy, especially when you’re in charge of the branch making the decision and you have one of the other branches in your back pocket, possibly both.
Don’t bother with this “user”. Look at their comment history. The person showed up today to defend this obvious act against democracy. My guess is a Russian/Chinese misinformation promoter.
Got me. I live in Russia.
You’re trying to play it off like a joke, but that should really trigger some introspection.
Probably is a total coincidence that you’re saying this here.
Good. Fuck off then.
That’s what laws are for.
The laws about that were just thrown out the window with this ruling. Everything is an official act as long as he was president when he stated it to he done. Ordering fries from McDonald’s is now an official act as well.
Tell me you didn’t read the ruling without telling me you didn’t read the ruling.
You just showed us you didn’t lol
If it were, Trump would have been behind bars years ago.
Trumps own legal team has described political assassinations as qualifying as an official act as president
That too is addressed in the ruling. Fancy that!
It is! in the dissenting opinion in which Sotomayor explicitly describes this ruling as granting immunity for political assassinations
There’s some hyperbole in these threads for sure, but not a lot. The president can’t handwave away the bill of rights, because nothing in the constitution gives them that power.
However, the president does have the authority as commander in chief of authorizing lethal force against individuals. If Biden authorized Seal Team 6 to execute Trump, that is in fact an official act that he has the authority to perform. Sure maybe it is technically not legal, but that doesn’t matter since the president has complete immunity from criminal law. The house could still draft articles of impeachment but the senate would be unable to remove the president because the president is immune to criminal proceedings.
And if Trump wants to create an organization to round up and execute all the gays (and the Jews, of course), he has the power to do that; and with today’s ruling, he will never face consequences for doing so.
Irreparable damage has been done to American democracy today.
The Christian Caliphate was birthed today, and Trump will be supreme Ayatollah
No, the president cannot kill an American on Americain soil. Get a hold of yourself.
At this point you need to present your evidence that they can’t because SCROTUS literally said they can
But as an official act, the president can strip someone of citizenship.
The supreme court disagrees with you, but OK I’ll bite.
Why can’t a president kill an american citizen on american soil? Because it’s illegal? Do you understand that that that no longer applies to the president?
So you are saying he just has to wait until he leaves American soil? You’re right, that’s so inconvenient.
You can organize a coup to overthrow the government and claim it’s an official act, there’s absolutely nothing stopping a president from claiming assassinations are an official act now. Hell, the commander in chief already organizes assassinations on foreign targets.
The Democrats might not abuse this, but the Republicans will, and they have given themselves carte blanche to start killing political dissidents.
Is this fascism yet, or are we waiting for the trains to run on time?
The president can’t commit criminal acts and claim it was an official capacity, lol.
What the fuck do you mean “lol”. That is PRECISELY what this ruling does. It removes criminal liability for anything that is done as an official act, which is entirely fucking subjective, and up to the interpretation of a corrupt, coopted judiciary. Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit.
No, that’s not how any of this works. You clearly don’t understand. A person of power cannot commit a crime and claim it was in official capacity, because the act itself is against the law and cannot be committed without consequence.
The stupidity of this statement truly strains belief given the actual verbiage in this ruling. May you suffer the full weight and consequences of that stupidity.
And who decides how to interpret law and levy consequence? And whose pocket are they in?
Wow. You are a fucking idiot lol. Ooof. I feel bad for you.
Shoutout to Voyager for implementing Apollo’s new account marker. It makes spotting trolls really easy.
But he can commit official acts that happen to be criminal. Semantics are fun!
That’s literally not true. An official act cannot be a criminal act. Once it’s a criminal act it’s unofficial.
Read the ruling.
Your logic doesn’t even follow. Why would the president need immunity for a non-criminal act? Think about it for like 2 seconds dude.
Exactly! Exactly right!
Read the ruling!
Supreme court literally just said he could by saying Jan 6 was fine for President to incite
If they are traitors and terrorists, he may have to send them to Guantanamo.
The executive doesn’t put people in prison the judicial does.
That was yesterday.
Have you been living under a rock?
Guess you missed Trump’s entire presidency.
Al-Aulaqi v. Obama made kill lists for Americans legal.
While i agree with you, it’s a huge grey area. Like Biden could have trump assassinated and then claim that his constitutional duties require him to protect the cotus from enemies both foreign and domestic.
Official act or not?
The ruling says that Biden would have charges brought against him, and the court (not the supreme Court mind you) would decide wether or not the act was in an official capacity.
Please cite where in the ruling it says charges would be brought against him.
In fact, it would have to be the DoJ or Congress that did so - Biden could order the DoJ to stop, and arguably could have anyone in Congress killed or jailed without trial by stating that they presented a clear danger to democracy by trying to impeach him.
We deserve a fresh, genuinely impartial court with term limits - three decades ago.
You can have it, if enough people fight for it. Now the president can practically do it all by himself.
DO IT! DO IT NOW! You have to show them the checks and balances. There is no god king, there is no one that is not accountable for their actions. Impeach every single one that was nominated by him. Illegitimate court.
This is the sane and rational thing to do. Look forward to seeing what comes of it, keep fighting AOC!
that would take a congress not filled with cotton-headed ninny muggins
It might be July, but it’s still a great time to make Elf references.
Articles of impeachment is fine as this process stinks and I think this court failed, but we really, long-term, we need a constitutional amendment to make it clear that this is not okay.
I love the constitution, wonderful framework, but it needs the following amendments:
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Anti-corruption measures on the judiciary (looking at you Thomas). Provide some teeth to enforce recusal and avoid conflicts of interest.
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Term limits for justices and age limits on all elected/appointed officials at the highest level (justices, pres/VP, congress). Tie those to either the retirement age or a percentage of life expectancy (as we get older as a society, and work into our later years, federal officials should be able to remain longer too).
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Divestment requirements for all federal elected and appointed officials. i.e. no more insider trading, sorry.
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Replace the electoral college with a popular vote.
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Replace the filibuster with nothing. Fuck that thing. Let the legislators legislate. If, whatever it is, is a bad idea, it’ll be shown to be a bad idea and the next congress will fix it. This is especially important now that Chevron is no more. The court just replaced rules created by executive offices with the most dysfunctional branch of government (congress) without any prospect of undysfuctionalizing themselves.
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Congress shouldn’t be allowed to block supreme court justices without a vote. Once they are announced, they have X days to approve/deny or they are auto-approved.
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(edit) I can’t believe this has to be done, but the President is not above the law. The president must follow the law while in office, following “official acts” or not. This is a fucking democracy, not a dictatorship.
While I know there are other ways to approach a lot of these and those ways are easier is not the point of my post. These are things that the constitution is currently WRONG about and it should just be fixed.
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Yes please.
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The way you framed this is dangerous as conservatives already want to eliminate retirement so everyone who is not rich has to be a wage slave until death. This just gives them incentive.
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You will just create a shell game. Their spouses or children or cousins will just suddenly become amazing at trading. Or that weird company that incorporated in the Maldives with Fred Flintstone and Betty Boop as the board of directors will be doing weirdly well, but be out of the reach of the DoJ.
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- Ranked Choice voting, fixed that for ya.
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This one I have mixed feelings on. The spirit of the filibuster is good. Its purpose is to allow a minority, or even a single legislator, who feels so strongly about a proposed law to actually fight it. This purpose has been perverted, obviously, but that purpose is important for a truely functioning democracy. The ability for someone who actually sees something nobody else does to pump the brakes is vital. That said, I do believe there need to be severe consequences to doing what is effectively trying to break the legislative process over your knee. Personally, I believe that it should be the nuclear option. If you break that glass, you nuke your whole career in the process. No person who utilizes the filibuster is allowed to hold ANY public office for the rest of their life. Anyone who signs on as a supporter is allowed to hold federal office. Period. If you feel SO strongly that the passing of a law is either abhorrent to your beliefs or is fundamentally flawed in a way that will forever scar our way of life that you feel it is necessary to pull the emergency cord, then you need to have that cord available.
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Yeah, and voting is mandatory. I’m not sure if I would allow abstention, but your ass has to mark something down for sure.
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I hate that this has to be listed as well. 😮💨
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If we’re asking for things that will never happen I would like a unicorn that shits Lucky Charms
This is a “should happen” list not a “will happen” or “could happen” list. No delusions here, just felt good to say it out loud, given today’s news. I’d also take that unicorn. My kids would go bananas.
General Mills added unicorn marbits in 2018, so this sounds appropriate!
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You go get 'em, AOC. Personally, I’d like to see the Declaration of Independence rewritten so that it doesn’t give this false impression about our form of government and kings.
The president should just get rid of the supreme court justices he doesn’t want. He can legally do that now bc of the supreme court
As long as you say “I declare official act!” before you do it, you’re good.
They should not only be impeached, but charged with 340 million counts of violating the civil rights of the American people (multiplied by dozens of rulings). Life in prison for those criminals.
Man, this country has turned into a fat joke. I’m just done
Why does Biden not simply EAT the Justices as an Official Presidential Act?
Because eating poisonous animals is dangerous and we all know that Thomas and Kavanaugh have the most toxic blood possible while being able to pass as human from a medical point of view.
It has become a necessity at this point. That is, if anyone wants to maintain any semblance of sanity
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The Democrat from New York wrote that the court has become “consumed by a corruption crisis beyond its control” and that it’s “up to Congress to defend our nation from this authoritarian capture.”
The Supreme Court has become consumed by a corruption crisis beyond its control.Today’s ruling represents an assault on American democracy.
It is up to Congress to defend our nation from this authoritarian capture.I intend on filing articles of impeachment upon our return.
In a statement after the ruling, House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries said that Democrats would “engage in aggressive oversight and legislative activity with respect to the Supreme Court to ensure that the extreme, far-right justices in the majority are brought into compliance with the Constitution.”
But the act of filing impeachment articles represents a significant escalation in Democrats’ efforts to exercise greater oversight over the high court, which has faced numerous ethics scandals in recent years while issuing a spate of conservative opinions that have upended decades of precedent, including the overturning of Roe v. Wade in 2022.
The last (and only) time a Supreme Court Justice has been impeached was 220 years ago, when Samuel Chase survived an effort to remove him in 1804 over his handling of two politically sensitive trials.
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Yes pls
