I also heard by the socks. Millennials do no-show, but apparently high socks are the style now? Those will never not look super dorky to me, so I guess I’m old now.
Fashion is cyclical
Cynical, too
the only constant is that it’s pretentious
Millenial here, I never got on board with the no show or low cut or ankle cut or whatever socks, crew socks always. Probably not en vogue with any age group, but I also don’t care. They go great with my cargo shorts.
Crew socks… crunched down ti the height of ankle socks.
I roll them down to make a decorative ankle donut that looks great over my crocs
There’s a lot to unpack here.
Thigh highs are where it’s at nowadays :3
As a gen z this confuses me, I have a wallet and most people around my age also have one. Sure maybe you could say if they carry cash or not cause I definitely don’t carry cash but I still have my wallet cause theres a lot of places that don’t accept phone payments.
I’m a mid-range millennial and don’t carry cash, my wife is a slightly younger millennial and also doesn’t carry cash. I think probably most non-elder millennials don’t, but I think everyone needs a wallet. Gotta carry your ID and stuff somehow
I’m a relatively young millennial, and I carry cash because I sometimes go to events where some people don’t accept cards.
Even us elder millennials often don’t carry cash. I’m so elder, I might as well be gen-x. And until recently it had been years since I carried cash.
Same. If I have cash it’s because I needed it for something specific and haven’t managed to get rid of the change.
I’ve started carrying it more recently during times when money is tight. Helps me keep from overspending.
Totally get that. I did exactly that for years until I came up with a (slightly convoluted) system that works for me.
Same
Elder. Only carry cash when I really need it.
A lotta zoomers have phone cases with their id and stuff in them, which might be the alternative? Personally I never trusted myself to not lose my phone and be really fucked.
I agree with your last statement, but that’s still a wallet. It’s just a phone case wallet, or MagSafe wallet in some cases (which feels even scarier IMO, I don’t trust magnets that much)
Elder zoomer here. I have a wallet for all of my cards, those for pay, for insurance, for identification, etc.
Unfortunately my country doesn’t have the option for those to all be digital, so I’m still limited to something physical. Probably for the best anyways. It’s better to have redundant versions of those, in physical or digital form, in case one method is lost.
If zoomers at large don’t carry wallets, even in countries where digitization is easy, that’s just as risky as only carrying those cards in a wallet. It might be even more risky because you need your phone to be on to access that information, meaning chargers are necessary as well as a source of electricity. Not so easy in all regions of the world. Solar + batteries would work, but that’s more to carry around, when you could simply carry a wallet.
I have to carry medical cards and a wallet is needed for that and my debit card. Also anything like loyalty cards for stores or coffee shops. I’m just on the upper end of gen z as well.
But do you have a WALLET, like a trifold, or a money clip style one?
Eh, most Millenials don’t have “wallets” like older generations had either.
The giant 3-5 inch thick monstrosities.
Even 20 years ago a lot of Gen X had made the switch to just a flat card hold with a couple 20s slid in.
A Millenial with one of those would say they have a wallet. A Gen Z with the same thing would say they had a card holder.
So I think a big part of this is just language evolving.
GenX here, I had to get a rodeo wallet to hold all my shit.
My phone is at 5%. Fuck yes I have a wallet, I’m not buying a new phone every year. I’m a millennial, by definition I have no money.
My phone is almost 7 years old but in pristine condition. People often praise me of how careful I am when taking care of my belongings.
But the truth is I’m just poor AF. If something broke I don’t know how long till I can replace it so I just have to “babying” everything I own.
Unless taking care of it means you’ve replaced the battery, there’s no way it is performing at the same battery life retention which is what he was referring to.
Nope, original battery, still got 7 hours of Screen-on time.
AccuBattery report 81% capacity remain based on ~900 charge cycle recorded.
I NEVER let the battery get below 20% and NEVER charged pass 80%. It took A LOT of effort to maintain that for years, but it was worth it.
I don’t have my phone with me right now, but here’s my 4 year old tablet. It got abused a lot more than my phone.
Indeed! The sad thing is, I got this phone because someone was giving it away because it has a “spicy pillow” battery. Samsung fucking glues their batteries into their phones, but I was able to carefully remove it and replace with a lot of work (and a new screen cause it practically shatters when touched).
It was still cheaper than a new phone, but given it’s on its second life, this phone is getting on in years. Those batteries basically just become bombs after a few years.
I can understand moving transactions to digital and not needing to keep cash or a debit card… but what about your ID? If I just stuck that in my pocket by itself I’d be worried about losing it!
American here. Some states have digital IDs now. I’m in California and we have this…
I can drop my physical license and it won’t be damaged. I drop my phone, that’s like an eggshell these days…
Why would I want my ID on a fragile device, that thieves like to steal no less?
Thieves like to steal wallets too
Yes, of course. But I can drop my wallet and it won’t break.
Ok grandpa.
I’m planning on getting multiple IDs when mine expires. 1 for my wallet, one to keep in my car, and a backup at home.
You can’t do that in the US. To give you another ID they have to punch a hole in the first one, rendering it invalid. Otherwise everyone would just get multiple IDs and sell the extras to their underage friends.
Well that’s rather inconvenient.
I am far less worried of losing my phone than my wallet. I have eyeballs or my hand on my phone probably every two minutes while I am awake. I use it to navigate and play music in my car. I use it for just about everything at work. I won’t forget it at home, or leave it in my car. If I don’t have it with me I will know pretty quickly and track my steps. My wallet on the other hand, I will go days without needing it. It is far more likely for me to not realize my wallet is missing than my phone. If I dropped and broke my phone, having to link my ID again is the least of my worries. Thank would be a lot easier than ordering a new physical copy.
Well, I can say, I’ve never lost my wallet, and it’s highly unlikely I ever will, unless I’m ever robbed of course. My wallet stays in my pocket, 24/7, even when I’m sleeping.
I have been carrying a wallet for probably 30 years, other than the one I lost when I was like 15. Iv never lost one either.I do the ol wallet check evertime I leave the room or walk through a crowd like every other man, it would just be nice not to have too. People steal phones reguardless and it sucks. A physical wallet would suck more than my phone in tge long run. Have to not only order and wait for physical replacements, but remember every card in their to shut them off and report them as stolen. If my phone is stolen tge pass code is locked out and tge phone is encrypted. They aren’t getting anything anyway. The worst part is replacing the phone. Logging into accounts is the least of the worries.
I have both. Lose/forget my wallet, still got it on my phone.
I sleep with my wallet in my pocket, plus my wallet doesn’t need recharging…
My state has that as well, but you are still required to carry a physical license if you are driving, same with car insurance info on paper. It doesn’t solve much of a problem since that is the case.
Some countries have digital ID. Some people have cards holders stuck on their phone.
Call me old-fashioned, while it looks practical I do not want to put my phone and cards together in one easy to steal package.
I’m with you. I get the preference for a one-stop-shop as it were, and keeping things separate has it’s own issues, but on top of easier to steal, I leave things behind randomly, and keeping things separate means I’m not completely effed like I would be if I left my phone/wallet/key/epipen multitool or whatever on the bus.
You’re old fashioned.
I want it all in my phone. I just want to carry one thing.
When I were a lad, I’d get told never to put all my eggs in one basket.
A card holder on your phone is just a different kind of wallet.
Yes, but not for the purpose of this post.
I disagree.
That’s fine we don’t all need to be correct.
I’m a young Millennial and I don’t understand why you wouldn’t carry a wallet. Mine is a slim front pocket one, but I need somewhere for my ID and cards. I despise phone wallets and I use tap-to-pay where possible, but not everywhere accepts them for some reason. I also don’t carry cash because I’m not a Boomer. If I’m buying/selling something off Craigslist or whatever, I just use Venmo.
Who doesn’t use a wallet? Are they referring to those card holders and not calling them wallets?
I haven’t used cash in like a decade, but I still need to carry my cards, ID and insurance cards just in case. Where else do people carry things?
A lot of them actually have phone wallets for holding cards.
I’ve seen a lot of people carrying all that in their phone case, where they can conveniently lose every single scrap of personal information at once.
in europe, you can use your phone to pay on all of the same machines that take cards. your phone just mimics being a physical card
also, in some countries, you can have your ID on your phone through government apps. i never need to carry anything other than my phone where i live
edit: also, just for the record, i want you to know that having your cards locked digitally in your phone is more secure than having a wireless card in your physical wallet
The ID on the phone thing is weird. Like I’m gonna give my phone to a cop when they ask for my ID. That’s a nope from me. Same reason why I still print out my car insurance cards even though the information is on my phone. I ain’t giving my phone to a cop for any reason.
In the US, not every merchant accepts phone payments, so we still have to carry physical cards around. Your patronizing tone was unnecessary.
The ID on the phone thing is weird. Like I’m gonna give my phone to a cop when they ask for my ID. That’s a nope from me.
That just seems like a privacy nightmare. No one touches my phone. There’s way too much personal info on there to hand over to anyone, much less cops.
infosec.pub - user instance checks out. And I’m with you, it’s awful for privacy. I’ll keep using the plastic card.
The ID on the phone thing is weird. Like I’m gonna give my phone to a cop when they ask for my ID.
You don’t do that. You present the cop a QR code generated on the fly by the ID app when selecting “show ID” (or driver’s licence, in our country) that they then scan with their equivalent app or device. You don’t physically give them the phone. At least that’s the idea.
Like in many countries (traffic or street) cops here barely have a high school education and it’s not unusual for them to be too stupid to be able to scan a QR code. So carrying your plastic cards with you is prudent.
To be honest, I have used my “phone as ID” thing more at municipality offices - the US equivalent would be a DMV, but we have more services available there. Also for paying taxes, the municipality tax thing works by me logging into the municipality website with the “phone as ID” thing, and they give a QR code that automatically configures a bank transfer in my bank app.
I have been stopped by police exactly 2 times over 30 years, and both of those were while driving. If I wouldn’t drive so much, I imagine they wouldn’t have done that either. Also, they only asked for my driving licence which is a card, and I have to have it on me to drive, and it also serves as a full personal ID.
I guess what I’m saying that the point of having an ID here is not so that you can give it to cops, but to access govt services.
People who value privacy and want to support small vendors and businesses also carry cash, nothing to do with being a Boomer
I keep a service key for my work van in my wallet. I carried a card clip for a while with my license and credit card, but after locking myself out of the van for the third time my then boss handed me a wallet, a door key, and said “never call me locked out again”.
Still use a wallet today
Gen z here… Everyone around me has wallets
Tbf I am in Berlin, the cash capital of the world, but still.
Yeah, that is bullshit. For Germany at least.
Germany is a backwards nightmare coming from the UK. No self checkout with contactless payment. Instead you queue behind 5 people in Reve, each one counting out coins to pay exactly for whatever they’ve bought.
I prefer self checkout too so I’m not bothered, but it’s really not a big deal.
Rewe added self checkout this year.
Excellent news. Just the public transport tickets left to fix. Why on earth did they emulate paper ticket strips in the transport payment apps?
Probably, so they work with the existing infrastructure.
Wait my Zoomer buddy definitely has a wallet thicker that George Costanza’s. I’m starting to think the internet is just full of lies for making us hate each other.
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Where else do I keep the cash I need for food truck stops? Like, the good ones that look like a moving hole in the wall. None of this newfangled hipster food truck with pos devices.
This and saving small businesses the obsurd credit card fees. I use my card for the smallest amounts at chain and big stores. At local business, cash is king.
I hadn’t even thought about the fees, I was just using what was convenient for the business and I want that business to succeed because those tacos are so damn good.
What’s wild is how much easier cash is to not report and commit tax evasion.
I’m cool tipping in cash knowing the server isn’t reporting it all. I’m also cool with street taco vendors not reporting it too. I think the majority of people are, at least where I’m from.
But one of the things I learned about doing business is always make it easy for people to pay. It doesn’t matter the means, but if you want more sales make it easy for the customer to pay you. Whether it’s cash, card, or venmo. If you make it tough or restrict the method, you’ll lose sales
that’s exactly why I always try to tip with cash. when I pay in cash for food, I have no issue if the business wants to pocket it and keep a little extra something for themselves that uncle sam can’t touch. taxes are important, but workers can have a little personal gain, as a treat. plus, credit companies don’t need to get their beaks wet everytime I buy something.
But one of the things I learned about doing business is always make it easy for people to pay.
the weirdest thing I see regularly is “no cash” signs for vendors. I understand some places don’t want to deal with giving change, or holding large amounts of cash at outdoor events, or making lines go quicker, etc. it’s just strange that the most concrete form of regulated currency we have is turned down so often now.
Plus you can avoid tax which is always nice.
Last time I was in TX, one of my favorite food trucks had a sign that said “no longer excepting cash payments”. I laughed at the grammatical error, but was still a little sad about losing the option to pay with real money. It wasn’t hipster at all, but I guess the clientele was.
Anyway, yes. I see your point but a lot of places realize they have to get modern or fail. It makes me sad to think about.
I understand why, I just don’t like it.
So yeah, I think I’m getting old 🤣🤣🤣
How can they not accept legal tender? I’m pretty sure that’s against the law.
Good 'ol roach coach.
Get a phone wallet
I don’t even use a case, I hate the trend of phones back towards bulky and will resist any attempt to add to their mass.
Spigen has some good drop tested cases that are pretty thin.
I’ll have to take a look, thanks!
I prefer it when my phone doesn’t slide out of my pocket.
Your phone slides out of your pocket? Do your pockets have really wide mouths that expose half of the side?
I skate and am semi active sometimes so even if it didn’t fly out, it’s a good idea to protect it in case I land on it.
Ooh that’s fair, mine is usually tucked away in a soft space when I’m being active.
this is what I see many z and alpha doing, if they’re not just shoving cards and cash into a loose cheap case
You kids and your government tracked money. I buy too many things for cash to not have a wallet.
I was a always cash guy, Corona made me a card person, I still refuse to use my phone for it because it’s enough that Visa knows everything I buy, no need for Google to know it as well. Also bizarre that we become a no cash society at the same time authoritarian regimes pop up left and right…
I use my debit card a lot but I really like flea markets and junk sales and they are often cash only. I also get cash from metal scrap and it’s my “walking around money “
Lol, I have to carry my insurance card, ID, debit and credit as well as purchase and travel cards for work along with when I’m at a work site I need to carry my hotel key.
Well, I definitely fit in the box, got a leather billfold wallet. I’d say I feel like I’ve got several good reasons to:
- we don’t have digital ID in this country
- For some reason we sometimes get issued paper tickets for the train rather than QR code tickets
- I’m sometimes out all day and late into the evening and don’t want a dead phone stopping whatever I’m doing
- I go to enough other countries where you can’t get away without using cash
- (Least of all) I find those metal slim wallets to just be a bit ugly looking personally
Youths in my country have their debit card between their phone and phone case.
So if someone robs your phone you’re doubly fucked? Also wouldn’t that mess with using the phone payments?
Am I the only one who never uses phone cases?
We’re a rare breed it seems. I don’t like the extra bulk and I paid for a high end phone I don’t want to feel a $20 case.
I haven’t minded the extra bulk from cases used, but I also don’t use Otterbox or their alternate equivalents or have a high end phone. I’ve had a case for every smart phone since I’m a clutz sometimes and nervous about breaking it. To each their own 🤷 . But regarding the original topic, I’d feel weird without a physical wallet after so many years of using one.
have fun paying for high end repairs when you inevitably drop it i guess?
I’m a clumsy bastard and my insurance is £100 excess per phone repair. Last time I went without a case I think I smashed the screen 3 times in less than 2 years, so the odd £20 case has saved me a fair bit of cash over the years
Wallet in Fanny pack gang, rise up!
I think it depends on where you are more than your age. I very rarely carry a wallet on me and I am definitely not Gen Z. That being said, where I live, every legitimate (i.e. non laundering/tax dodging) business accepts paying by phone. I can use public transport by scanning my phone, I can prove my ID by showing my phone, I can claim medical benefits by using my phone, and every franchise has it’s own loyalty app I can download on my phone.
That’s pretty horrifying. The perfect dystopia waiting for collapse when a server fails or a there is a network outage or infection.
If that’s going on I promise you have much bigger concerns than how to pay for some mcnuggets. The same thing can happen to any credit card processor as well. Not a bad idea to keep some cash at home, but for day to day, hour to hour stuff there’s no need to bring it anywhere.
Where I live, 90% of places have a working tap to pay, but 10% still need that chip to be entered.
Annoyingly, the convenience store chain (part of Circle K) that I buy snacks at, tap to pay only works for credit cards not debit cards.
i really dislike the idea that my life could come to a complete halt if my phone stopped working in the middle of the day.
The problem with that is that if you lose your phone while out and about, you’ve also lost all hope of paying for anything to get home.
Not that much different to losing your wallet before you could pay with your phone
phones can stop working
That’s true, I only relied on my phone until the first time it just didn’t work for no reason haha
No different from losing your wallet back in the day. Except I can log into my Google accounts on literally any Android phone (plus my yubikey) and get it all back.
Still, I will put a credit card in a different pocket sometimes when I am going out drinking just in case. If I’m really stranded I’ll call the police from that bar, say my phone was stolen and beg them for a ride.
Gen X. Don’t use a wallet. Where do I fit in to this theory?
Gen Xers love wallets. Back in the '90s, you had to have a wallet so you could wear a wallet chain.
The theory is about millenials having wallets. You’re not a millenial and you don’t have a wallet. No contradictions here.
In my country you need to carry a few cards, such as ID and drivers license. So yeah, at least i need something to carry those.
The outlier with a credit score under 700 and cashless, probably uses apple pay.
