• mozz@mbin.grits.dev
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    9 months ago

    His name was Ignaz Semmelweis, and they threw him in a mental institution. He was trying to get doctors to wash their hands in between handling corpses and doing surgery, and they got super offended about it.

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      9 months ago

      Antonie van Leeuwenhoek was the first person to observe microbes. Semmelweis deserves immense credit for trying to convince people to wash their hands, but he didn’t observe microbes and believed in corpse particles. (⌐■_■)

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        Yeah. I was telling a fib for comedic effect. Semmelweis is actually a lot more impressive, to me, because he was able to deduce that something important was going on and what the solution was, without having any idea what the mechanism might be, simply from observing and following the data. He didn’t need to know the details to know it was a problem; he just trusted the evidence without needing to have a narrative built up in his head to attach it to.

        Also, once he realized it was killing people, he wouldn’t shut up about it until they literally had to kill him to make him stop. That puts him over the line from good scientist to hero, to me.

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          9 months ago

          Not arguing with that, but clearly people seem to believe you and think he discovered microbes, which he didn’t. The truth is more impressive anyways, no?

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            I edited it to add a correction. I shouldn’t fib for the sake of making a more entertaining link to the posting, maybe.

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      yeah, the idea didn’t take off until the previous generation of doctors died. it’s a fact that often both encourages and discourages me.

      even doctors were too stubborn to accept they may have been wrong about something so important, no matter the evidence. however, even those that are so stubborn that they’ll take it to the grave will eventually be passed up by a new generation who has known of this idea since before they were born. at worst, this kind of stubbornnes is only likely to stall progress for 2 generations.

      still, millions of people died because humans are stubborn.

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        9 months ago

        That is the TL;DR of Thomas Kuhn’s “Structure of Scientific Revolutions.” It is almost universal that when a new way of looking at the world comes along, very few people are persuaded to adopt it on an individual level. The consensus view generally stays the same until enough scientists who grew up with the old model die, that the ones remaining are outnumbered by new scientists who grew up with the new model.

        It is bleakly comic, and there is surely some sort of productive lesson there, but I don’t know what it is.

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    9 months ago

    Semmelweiss. His radical idea of “surgeons ought to wash their hands” saw him widely ridiculed and reduced to poverty, and he died in an institution.

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    9 months ago

    And if you believe that, then you’ll believe anything… that is supported by hard evidence and deducted from those by sound logical principles.

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    What I love is that when Van Leeuwenhoek first saw microorganisms in his microscope he named them “animalcules”, as in animal + molecule. Isn’t that freakin cute?