I’ve ran into this situation multiple times at my current and previous jobs. I really want to avoid Windows and use something better, but I can’t live without two external monitors.

On Windows, it “just works”. I don’t have to do anything.

On Linux (I tried Linux Mint today) it doesn’t work. First, it only connected one of the monitors, the other one did not register. Then I switched to a different cable from the computer to the docking station and it connected both screens - however, they were locked to 30fps. I could not make them work at 60fps (and this is a major dealbreaker, I cannot live with 30fps).

This isn’t really a tech support question, I’m more trying to understand what fundamentally causes this situation. Why is Linux still struggling with pretty basic functionality that Windows does with zero setup? Is it the vendor of the laptop and docking station that aren’t properly supporting Linux? Or is it some other problem?

  • entropicshart@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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    9 months ago

    Not just Windows, but Macs as well; I’ve had three different generations of MacBooks that you could plug a USB-C (thunderbolt) into any dock (Dell, HengeDock, random amazon brand, etc) and they simply worked.

    I do feel your pain about multiple monitors; it is even more evident when you try to run some of them rotated and/or flipped.

    I’ve not found a solution for it yet, and in some small way, I am glad to hear it’s not just me having these problems.

    • AwkwardLookMonkeyPuppet@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      9 months ago

      My MacBook pro wouldn’t work with my ultra wide resolution monitor and it took me hours to figure out how to force it to reveal the proper resolution option. It flat-out won’t work with dual monitors, no M1 CPU MacBook will.

      • efstajas@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        9 months ago

        That’s not true, M1 Pro and Max MacBooks both support dual external monitors.

        The scaling and lack of available resolution problems is very real though. If you have monitors with a slightly non-standard resolution, you basically need third party software like SwitchResX, which is pretty stupid considering Windows has no problems like this at all.

        • AwkwardLookMonkeyPuppet@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          9 months ago

          The 13" MacBook Pro with the M1 processor doesn’t support dual external monitors, I think it is a 2019, but I’m not positive. If you have a solution, then I’d love to hear it. I looked, and my coworkers looked, and we all came to the same conclusion that it’s not supported.

          • TrickDacy@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            9 months ago

            I’ve been using 2 4k monitors with my m1 for years now. Are you specifically referring to usb-c connected displays? I tried that (I think) and it didn’t work. I use a dock that has HDMI and a USBC cable for my two monitors and it works fine for me.

            • AwkwardLookMonkeyPuppet@lemmy.worldEnglish
              1·
              9 months ago

              Kind of. USB-C to HDMI. I have a dongle for one HDMI port and that worked okay, but wouldn’t give me the proper resolution, so I bought a USB-C to HDMI cable. That, with a lot of tinkering, got me the proper ultra wide resolution, but I still haven’t been able to get a 2nd monitor working. Everything I read said that the M1 doesn’t support dual monitors. I just checked and it’s a 2020, not a 2019. My previous MacBook Pro was the 2019.

              So, you’re saying that you got two external monitors working with a USB-C dock?

              • TrickDacy@lemmy.worldEnglish
                1·
                9 months ago

                I just checked. My M1 MacBook Pro is a 2021 model so maybe that’s why, but here’s what I have working:

                • 1 4k monitor connected by USBC directly
                • 1 4k monitor connected by USBC -> mini displayport cable (I am fairly sure this one used to use HDMI via my USBC dock but apparently I changed that at some point)
  • dustyData@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1·
    9 months ago

    Dock firmware. If changing the cable did something, chances are the chips on the dock are not working nicely with the OS. It is a hit or a miss for what I’ve researched on it. What you have to know is that a Usb-C cable is only the physical shape of the port, what that port can do depends on ancillary chips implementing the protocols, and the protocol has to be supported on both sides of the connection. So, something on your current driver configuration is not talking with the dock. Maybe try running a newer kernel and see if that helps.

    Also, the 30fps lock might be due to X11. I’ve not tried Wayland but this is one of the points the evangelists like to ramble about. Something, something, if both monitors are not equal and connected through the same protocol it doesn’t work, just use Wayland or whatever.

    For what is worth, lots of people do complain online about docks not working with Windows and some even stop working after a few months, those things are fickle as hell.

    • SorteKanin@feddit.dkOPEnglish
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      9 months ago

      Also, the 30fps lock might be due to X11

      You think I would have better luck with a distro that uses Wayland? I’m kind of surprised to learn that Wayland isn’t used on Linux Mint as I have read that Linux Mint is the most “it just works” distro out there, but it has not been my experience so far.

      • dustyData@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        9 months ago

        Wayland is developed by the same people who created and still maintain X11. It’s been on the works for a decade, but, and it is a big but, it’s still experimental. Sure, feature wise it’s 90% there, but it also creates a lot of incompatibility issues, as applications have to be made with Wayland in mind. There’s Xwayland that is included in most, but not all, deployments of Wayland that run X apps in Wayland, but that has compatibility issues as well. I get a lot of flak for saying this but, Wayland is not yet ready to be the universal replacement for X11, and that is OK, this is not entirely on the Wayland developer’s hands. Adoption of new technology takes a lot of time and it requires all developers on board.

        Mint precisely because of their “just get it working” philosophy only provides experimental support for Wayland. As X11 is the mature implementation and no software will malfunction for using it, as they are all virtually designed to work with X. However, if you have the latest version of Mint, Virginia, you already have Wayland available to you. Just choose it on your display manager before login in. But it is marked as experimental because some software might glitch.

        Mint is trying to create the most straight forward and easiest experience to the vast majority of people. We might have normalized it in the tech circles, but the vast majority of people don’t use multi monitor setups. The non-tech people who do, usually do it on an enterprise setting where IT deals with the technical details.

        • Dark Arc@social.packetloss.ggEnglish
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          9 months ago

          I would not describe Wayland in its current state as experimental. We’re past that point by a fair bit.

          It is actively used as the default by multiple major Linux distributions and is the advised default by both GNOME and KDE maintainers.

  • Buelldozer@lemmy.todayEnglish
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    9 months ago

    On Windows, it “just works”. I don’t have to do anything.

    It only “just works” if you are using the correct dock and the correct cables. My Surface Pro with Windows 11 refuses to do dual monitors at 4K unless I use the actual Microsoft Adapter cables (USB-C to HDMI) along with the actual Microsoft Dock.

    Your problem isn’t that Linux can’t do what you want, it’s that you have to have the correct hardware setup…and so does Windows.

  • jet@hackertalks.comEnglish
    01·
    9 months ago

    Sounds like it’s using display link through your docking station instead of the more traditional connections