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    9 months ago

    Are you willing to give up 1080p screens and 16-bit/44.1kHz sampled music? Or how about languages that can’t be represented in ASCII, much less Latin-1? Because handling those take up way more space than code.

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      9 months ago

      You present a false dichotomy. Yes, things like uncompressed audio and HD video take up more storage space, but that does not negate that modern commercial software is very inefficient with how it uses resources. You could improve the efficiency of the system while keeping HD video, it is not a mutually exclusive choice.

      For example, booting up Windows and doing nothing takes up 4gb of RAM, while doing the same with a lean Linux installation would take up a quarter of that, despite both operating systems having identical functionality (run web browser, open applications, edit documents, play games, etc).

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        9 months ago

        Windows takes a percentage of your available RAM, you can boot it on 4GB RAM and it will use 1GB of so

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          9 months ago

          Sure, and there are some performance gains to be made from it I’m sure, but when my OS is doing that and my web browser is doing that and my browser based chat client and my browser based text editor are all doing that, it gets pretty sluggish.

          This is why Linux is a godsend for older machines, even running the exact same applications (Firefox, Discord, and vscode) on the exact same hardware, it still feels more responsive on Linux because there is less overhead from the OS itself.

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        9 months ago

        Does Windows booting take up that much space because of code, or because of data that code is loading?

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      9 months ago

      Let me quote myself:

      I hate this “storage is cheap” mentality, it’s a cop out for being wasteful without a reason.

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        9 months ago

        And there’s almost always a reason. Code size tends to be modest compared to supporting data around it.

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          9 months ago

          I see you’ve never dealt with a real life project that requires god knows how many different libraries off nodejs because 🤷‍♂️

          Dependency hell takes a lot of space.

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            9 months ago

            I have. Still small compared to the images and such that are used in a user facing application.

            Edit: just to bring in real numbers, I have an old TypeScript project that results in a 109M node_modules dir. Which I agree is absurd. I also have an old anime video, 21 minutes long, at only 560x432 resolution, 24fps, which takes 171M. And that’s my point: even in really bad cases, code size tends to be swamped out by everything else in user-facing applications. If there’s any kind of images, music, or video, the code size will be a small part of the complete picture.