And if I remember correctly Luke was wanting to join the Imperial Academy but his uncle kept him on the hydro farm another year.
Luke was just prior to that even a willing participant of the empire. He wanted to be a pilot, if only to get out of Tatooine.
A small but cool detail, Luke even says “I hate the Empire too but there’s nothing I can do about it right now.”
Although I think the Expanded Universe ruins this detail by establishing that “the academy” Luke wanted to join was actually a rebel academy, even though that makes far less sense.
Fun fact, whether this meme is pro-Israel or pro-Palestine is 100% decided by what date you consider the “start” of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.
The history around Gaza and Israel is long and super complicated. The “they hit me first” gets really fucking dumb after like 10 rounds. That’s why most people in the west don’t support the war, they support leaving people alone. Either the gazans or the Israelites.
War is the ultimate singularity. It’s a black hole that sucks up everyone and everything and there’s literally no positive to it. So if you have a say in it, the only way to cause less tragedy is to stop it.
On that note, fuck the Hamas for attacking Israel at the festival, and fuck Israel for escalating this into another war.
The history around Gaza and Israel is long and super complicated
It’s not that long and it’s not that complicated, the pro Israel crowd likes to throw this notion around as a thought-terminating cliche.
I mean, Isreal invented and funded hamas and gave them weapons. So fuck israel.
Hamas is a branch of the Muslim Brotherhood. It wasn’t “invented” by Israel. And Israel didn’t fund them, but it’s true that Bibi let Qatar money reach Hamas when he could’ve blocked it.
The belief among some of the ones who supported that, was that better conditions of life in Gaza would prevent them from going to another war - An article about it from 2015Mhhh yes which is why israel systematically blocks aid from entering Gaza and the humanitarian catastrophe and restrictions on aid only got worse over the years. Surely israel tried to help Gaza by instead of letting in food, give money to Hamas. this makes perfect sense now.
NPR is straight up Zionist propaganda.
Well goddammit, we’ve got a genuine freedom fighter here in our midst, waging war against the (wink wink nudge nudge) ZIONISTS. Are you a member of the legendary 104th Battalion, the Keyboard Snipers? Or are you part of that new 88th Battalion, the Fighting Dogwhistle Luftwaffles, deploying out of your parents basement?
Look at that a Genocide defender saying that criticism of israel is antisemitic.
Hamas was the government of Gaza. You couldn’t get anything in there without it getting through Hamas anyway.
They sure managed to get a lot of weapons and rockets in there, and enough building materials for massive underground tunnels.And your dear Al-Jazeera has an article from 2017 that says Qatari money actually did help Gaza Analysts: Qatar supports Gaza not Hamas
Are they also Zionist propaganda now?They sure managed to get a lot of weapons and rockets in there, and enough building materials for massive underground tunnels.
Yes which why it is obvious the blockade on Gaza was only using the blocking of “smuggled weapons” as an excuse to starve civilians.
You are destroying your own argument.
Your Qatar link is irrelevant. Of course Qatar supports Gaza. However Netanyahu asked Qatar to give cash to Hamas.
Yeah I was thinking it was pro Palestine until I read the comments and realized it could be interpreted the other way as well…
Idk if the ambiguity was intentional, but it’s good lol.
can i be pro-both, anti-genocide, and think that both of their ruling parties are fucked to shit
I think that much be a popular opinion but WTF is happening there
Hamas’s entire goal is to kill all Jews, and take Israel back for themselves (“river to the sea”).
What do people think is going to happen if Israel just stops? Another Oct. 7th. At what point do people need to address this fact?
EDIT: Some of y’all should read a Qur’an sometime.
Hamas certainly said it in the past. Israel is doing it now. Who’s right and who’s wrong?
Hamas very clearly states that it does not want to Genocide the Jews.
Hamas actually got rid of that from its charter. It stopped making claims like that around the early 2000s and actually revamped their entire charter in 2018.
October 7th was the direct result of over a decade of Israeli war on Gaza bombing hospitals, shooting protestors, and blockading them. It’s what happens when terrorists try to moderate and go legitimate but get rebuffed.
And then, the future. Are you really trying to say Hamas has anywhere near the military power of the IDF? That a Hamas led genocide is a realistic thing to worry about? Because that’s ridiculous. Just based on the numbers.
This is a massive lie. Hamas goal is to get colonizers off their land.
Hamas has never killed a single Jew outside of israel. In fact it doesn’t kill any people that don’t occupy their land.
Ishmael v Isaac. Got it.
Oh, so you’re just gonna ignore how Sarah treated Hagar and lay it all on Ishmael, huh? :P
Maybe killing people is the wrong solution.
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There’s no doubt that Israelis are killing Palestinian people in much larger numbers than Palestinians are killing Israelis. Many people have many views on who is responsible for what, and there are a lot of difficult and complicated discussions that one might have, but for you to forget about all of the Palestinians who lost their lives is just disgraceful.
And vice versa. It’s known as the most complicated political quagmire of centuries. If you’re rooting for strictly one side or the other, you’re probably wrong.
Yes, it’s perfectly reasonable to want the war to stop. Once you start going farther than that…
Don’t allow people to push you to an extreme because you want to view your argument as a team sport.
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Yeah, fuck those 4 year old terrorists. They didn’t deserve heads anyways. Those terrorists in graveyards deserved to be dug up. Controlled demolition of universities is necessary because most of the bricks are terrorists. If a handful of terrorists hide in a hospital, the only logical thing to do is bomb the fuck out of the hospital.
Nothing about how the IDF is behaving looks like targeted attacks on Hamas. Military experts everywhere have been telling Israel since the beginning that their tactics would fail and result in mass civilian casualties and a strengthened Hamas. Israel does it anyways because killing civilians is the objective. Destroying homes, hospitals, schools, universities, religious institutions, and even graveyards is the objective. Everything that ties the Palestinian people to their land is being destroyed in a bald faced effort to drive them away. That is genocide, and that is terrorism.
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Look at any news source. Literally any of them. Israel has repeatedly attached Gaza’s healthcare infrastructure.
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Why? I don’t see sources for all your bullshit.
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We’re trying, but they continue to bomb Palestine.
Hey now, they’re only bombing the Gaza part of Palestine. In the West Bank they’re just shooting the people and stealing land slower. And in the rest of Palestine they haven’t needed to do much of either after they terrorized the locals into fleeing back in 1948.
On one hand I totally agree, but on the other I would like to see billionaires on the guillotine.
I don’t know why people seem to be mad that a fictional story can accurately represent real life like we don’t already have actual real life examples of the same thing.
Anyone remember Rambo thanking the Mujahideen fighters, which was retracted in future publications.
This movie is dedicated to the brave freedom fighters of the Mujihadeen
But Tatooine had no oil, so that was completely different.
Liberals will cheer on the rebal alliance then go home and vote for the empire.
There’s also an Orville episode called “Krill”, same idea.
Man this post is really some kind of crazy Rorschach test
Yeah, I want to interpret it as someone posting not only in support of Palestine, but in warning to Israel that their actions are that of the star wars Empire, and that the rebels did eventually succeed in a massive counterattack
Yeah but in this story the “rebels” want to kill as many Jews as they can, as we saw on October 7.
In this story if there is a successful counter attack, it will be many many more civilians dead.
The rebels aren’t always the good guys, you know. I mean do you support the Rebels in the US Civil War? Sometimes the smaller power is just a group of assholes that want horrible things.
right? my first thought was pro-palestine, then i remembered my local closet trumper is obsessed with Star Wars and views himself as part of the Rebellion/Resistance and the other interpretation became clear. did we learn nothing from the obama-era liberal harry potter fetish?
I’ve always been more worried of the Empire did nothing wrong facet of the Fandom, but I guess there’s people who think they’re rebellion too. Despite the fact that the rebellion is the one with multiple races…
Still, there is an odd commonality of right wing propaganda types using fictional movies, shows, and books as if they are reality.
yeah look what happened with the Matrix. that’s a god damn real head scratcher. series of movies made by two transgender sisters as an homage to Anime and Kung Fu movies was somehow embraced and weaponized by the right, incels, and conspiracy nuts.
the funniest thing to me is that “the red pill” is supposed to represent estrogen
every act of violence taken by an oppressed people against their oppressor to resist their own eradication is morally justified.
You forgot the before part, where he spent decades trying to genocide the empire and take over their bases because they were special places.
You forgot the before part, where he spent decades trying to genocide the empire and take over their bases because they were special places.
You mean the decades where the empire tried to Genocide the native population and colonized their land?
Hamas wasn’t created in a vacuum is what I’m saying.
I think you switched up the empire and the natives
Yeah, cause it’s fiction idiot. You know, the thing where we can have clear cut situations that are entirely black and white. Where one side is entirely evil and the entire one pure good. Reality fucking sucks
That’s the fun part about Palestine. Reality rarely gets as black and white as it is there.
And still our country is cheering for black.
This post could support both sides
Just like in the movies, if you only tell the story from one side. You could ignore the October attack and sympathize with Palestine
That is like sympathizing with the Nazis and the Jews in WW2 at the same time.
Many people sympathized with the Nazis in WW2. Everything was so much more gray black then. But then we found out that "wait Genocide is bad this is actually pretty black and white.’ And so it is with Palestine which is currently under attack by the modern day Nazis.
Okay since you appear to already sympathize with Palestine and can’t seem to understand my post because of it
You could ignore the civilian attacks by the IDF and sympathize with Israel
Yes they have a saying for that.
wir haben es nicht gewußt
While they chant from river to sea. That has been their slogan way before October 7th. They always been a terroristic people. That’s why they allow and voted in a terrorist organization to govern them way before October 7th.
Go back to reddit worldnews dude
Hamas launches rockets from schools and hospitals, kills other Muslims who cooperate with Israel
Has in its founding charter the death of all Jews
Rarely gets as black and white as it is there
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When you lie about everything it becomes gray indeed. Good job.
Which claim was a lie? I’d be happy to provide sources
Sure provide sources Hamas fired rockets from schools during the current Genocide.
Sure. Here’s a Jpost article. The language is right-leaning and incendiary, but the pictures are real.
https://m.jpost.com/israel-news/article-769701
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-jerusalem-post/
Here’s another source: https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel/defense/1671035706-israeli-army-reveals-hamas-rocket-launching-sites-near-3-schools-in-gaza
Here’s a UNRWA source:
To be honest, it’s a bit embarrassing that you’re invested at all in this horrible conflict without even realizing who Hamas is, or what they stand for. Hamas is famous for using civilians as human shields, and it is no secret that they continue to do so.
Here’s a link from Yale University that has Hamas’ founding charter:
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp
Our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious
The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem).
We should not forget to remind every Moslem that when the Jews conquered the Holy City in 1967, they stood on the threshold of the Aqsa Mosque and proclaimed that “Mohammed is dead, and his descendants are all women.”
Israel, Judaism and Jews challenge Islam and the Moslem people. “May the cowards never sleep.”
Keep in mind, I’m not saying that innocent people being bombed by Israel is okay, but don’t pretend that Hamas are freedom fighters. They’d love nothing more than to enact a second Holocaust, and they’re religious fanatics in every sense of the word.
Your UNRWA report says “found in vacant school” not fired so no.
What does the new Hamas charter say? You can’t read the old one so they spelled it out for you. Go search chapter 16.
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Can’t believe we’re living in a timeline where some people unironically support or even related to Hamas.
You guys know you’re allowed to disagree with both IDF and Hamas, right?
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The IDF sets up humanitarian corridors as a PR move, then spoils it by bombing them. Humanitarian corridors are not exclusive to the IDF, as with every other example you started with “no other army”. You also are completely failing to distinguish between Hamas and Palestinians.
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Hamas was an elected government, in 2006. Elections haven’t been held since. I hope your mention of “elected government” was to say “an elected government shouldn’t behave like this” instead of how it struck me, which was “the electors of that government are more or less responsible for the government’s behavior today”.
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Hamas was financed by the government of Israel in an attempt to weaken the Palestinian Authority led by Fatah. So Israel can go fuck itself.
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I mean, you’re right. Israel didn’t fund Hamas. They assisted in the delivery of funding from Qatar.
Do maybe just the smallest amout of research or look on Google for 20 whole seconds and you will see how wrong you are.
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And that does nothing to disprove the fact that the Israeli government funded hamas. Pull your head out of Benjamin Netanyahu’s asshole and actually look into it. The info is all over the place. All you have to do is actually open your eyes and look at it. Going there has absolutely nothing to do with who funded who, but be careful and don’t break your arm while patting yourself on the back, bud.
Yeah and the Brits did nothing to provoke the Irish into a quarter century bombing campaign.
Force doesn’t work for ending terrorism, only getting round the table will.
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If you think the northern Irish terrorism wasn’t religious I’ve got a bridge to sell you.
Yes it came to an end when a ceasefire es agreed, exactly as I said. By getting around a table.
brits actually did
You say that like Israel didn’t.
As someone else pointed out, the kind of genocidal force that Israel is applying may actually work, in the same way it worked for the USA with their “Indian Question”. Though that ultimately was a prolonged military and economic attack from multiple fronts.
The question is are we still in a world that’ll sit by one nation systematically eradicates an entire people?
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China is around doing this, Russia does the terrorists you support want to.
True. The only difference I guess is west isn’t on such friendly terms with those countries. Whereas we’re actively aiding and a betting Israel’s genocide.
don’t randomly target civilians…
This is just a lie.
living peacefully together with the other people in Israel.
There’s also Israel occupying Palestinian land and actively turning a blind eye to their “settlers” committing violence and murdering Palestinians.
At political terrorism, wich is exactly what i said.
It was religious terrorism.
Nice try.
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Palestine will be free. Run along.
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And free from genocide loving Israel.
No because, Luke blew up a war ship literally trying to kill him.
The Rabbi’s folk are committing genocide on women and children…
I think this Rabbi is on the palestinian side
Yes, he is.
Fuck that post. It puts even more gasoline into the fire. Break out of the circle of hatred. Stop the war!
Oh my, Why we didn’t that of that?
The problem is it can be just as easily interpreted either way. It should seem to most of us to say, ‘destroying homes creates more martyrs,’ but I’m sure half the people will interpret it as, ‘unprovoked attack deserves indiscriminate retaliation.’ In that, it does a surprisingly good job of encapsulating how complicated the whole thing is…
That was kind of my issue. Reading this doesn’t make it clear who’s PoV we have here.
I dont see how it is complicated. There were people living on a land. Another people came to steal it and started the violence. Since then it committed far more violence while being armed and supported by another imperial entity that wants those people to keep destabilizing their region to prevent the development of a stable regional power that could leverage its resources and strategic position appropriately.
